<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>   Richard Moody wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Ric Moody > declares he cant hear temperaments or beating of intervals while playing. If I said I can't hear the "beating of intervals while playing" I invite you to quote me.   If there is a "mistake" (in the tuning) and the interval is so far from what I am used to, I sometimes can hear it , especially if I am listening for it while playing.  But I can tune a piano in Pythagorean and play something that I bet you can't hear the difference.</blockquote> I bet not... or if you can it would have to be something so useless in terms of  musicality perspectives that the point of such an exercise becomes moot. If I misquoted you above, I certainly think I captured the spirit of what you have said on several ocasions... namely that you can not hear the difference in temperements when a peice of music is played. Personally... I havent been able to look away from those same differences.     <blockquote TYPE=CITE>    But really how much do you listen to what you are playing? For phrasing, for dynamics, for shading, for rubato, for legato, for mistakes?</blockquote> What a pianist is listening for, or paying attention to is as much a function of what they have been taught to be aware of as it is anything else. That is precisely why all argumentation that follows the logic "pianists are not able to hear the difference" falls upon its own unreasonableness. We simply have not tested to see what pianists are capable of learning to hear in this regard. We have only confirmmed what would seem to many as an alarming lack of ability in being able to discern differences in temperaments. It seems much more likely to me that this is because of lack of training as to what to listen for then it is any physical limitation of perception or hearing.   <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  Oh I didn't even get to tuning.....   While listening to tuning when you are playing, what do you notice first, unisons, treble octaves, bass octaves, octaves + 5ths;  triads, if so in what position?</blockquote> I can only speak for myself... and I hear quite quickly when intervals... alone or within chord structure or other musical progression do not conform closely to ET. And frankly... how any pianist / piano tuner or other piano music proffesional could miss a Major third in the A3-A4 area that is rolling along at 3 bps or so is beyond me, regardless of whether its heard in the middle of a piece or alone. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>   ----rm     "Its all relative" <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"></a> </blockquote> That much I will aggree on... but perhaps in a different sense. Cheers RicB -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. UiB, Bergen, Norway <A HREF="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</A> <A HREF="http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html">http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html</A>  </html>