<HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Pinblock fitting revisited</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE> From: John Formsma <john@formsmapiano.com> Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:23:18 -0600 To: 'Pianotech List' <pianotech@ptg.org> Subject: RE: Pinblock fitting revisited </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>Ted, I didnšt follow this previous thread, so if this has already= been discussed, please forgive. How long have the new strings been in the piano and how many= tunings have been done since it was first at proper pitch? I don't know.  It was rebuilt in another state.  I have no pre= vious history on this piano. Are the sections equally out of tune and need a pitch raise= ? I.e., the bass, tenor, and treble are all 20 cents flat? It's been over a year since I last tuned this piano, so I don't remember= .  That was when I told the customer to get back to the rebuilder and t= ell him about the gap. Ted Simmons <HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="2" WIDTH="100%"> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bou= nces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ted Simmons Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:08 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: Pinblock fitting revisited It's a 1925 Chickering Grand beautifully rebuilt.  And it has tuning p= in bushings, so none of the tuning pins are touching the plate.  (It= 's beginning to seem like I'm worrying about nothing). Ted Simmons From: Erwinspiano@aol.com Reply-To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:31:41 -0500 (EST) To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Pinblock fitting revisited <BLOCKQUOTE> Ted  What kind of piano & are if there are no plate bushings are the = pins touching the plate?  Yamaha pianos have very little block contacting the flange. Ask any = one who has replced one. Dale  I guess I didnšt explain myself too well in my previo= us post on pinblock fitting.  The answers I received so far ignored the= fact that the pinblock to plate flange fit had gaps in it and implied that = frequent tunings is the only solution.  What I need to know is if there= is a situation where the pinblock to plate fit doesnšt matter.  This i= s contrary to all Išve been told and all Išve read about over the years. &nb= sp;All replies will be appreciated. Ted Simmons Whatšs the latest on whether or not a pinblock should butt against the p= late flange?  I have a customer who has a rebuilt piano that wonšt hold= tune for even a day and when I removed the action and checked the pinblock-= to-plate fit I found gaps throughout, some as much as 1/8 inch.  Two we= eks after I tuned it I found it over 20 cents flat and had to give it a pitc= h raise.  A few weeks later it was overly flat again and in need of a p= itch raise.  I explained to the customer about the pinblock to plate fl= ange fit but he said that he was told by the rebuilder that such a thing was= not important.  To top it off he did some research and got conflicting= comments.  Some said the piano is OK as is while others held to the co= nviction that the gaps in the pinblock are the problem with his piano. &nbsp= ;I need some backup in my assessment, either pro or con. Ted Simmons Viera, Florida </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>