<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hey Allan  .  .   laughed so loud my wife came into my office to see who was in here with me, or whatinell I was doing, after I read your opening statement, (ain't challingin nobody on nuttin ).  My old heart skipped a couple of beats, and can't get the dumb smile off my face.( Priceless humor. Thank you.) Not only that,but you make alot of sense with your other remarks as well.  Looking to reading more about this subject , because it's one that requires some imagination , to be able to convey to a none tech. what actually happens when we pitch raise.  I use the one re. paint on a plaster wall.  If a plaster wall hasn't seen paint for 20 years , the first coat will probably be sucked into the wall very quickly, so a 2nd. and sometimes a 3rd. coat is necssary to finally reach the correct color. Problem here is that many people can't understand that international music has a standard, and pianos are engineered to sound their best at that pitch. It does take some effort on our part to try to educate the public , and a lot guys get tired of going thru this harangue each time they find a piano needing pitch correction, so they can justify charging for the extra work in going thru a least two passes, rather than one.  I know I do. Carl / Winnipeg Alan Barnard wrote: <blockquote cite="mid410-220051232142441781@earthlink.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Terry's post begs the question (and please understand I ain't challingin' nobody on nuttin' ... I'm just seeking information and opinions and science, here) ... Do a piano really need time to "settle" after .. 1. Big pitch change? 2. Small pitch change? 3. Moving it across country? (other than environmental acclimation) 4 Moving it across the room? I have been under the impression--and it may be altogether wacky--that every change that is going to occur in the piano occurs immediatly upon cranking the pin. I thought someone (Dr. Sanderson, perhaps) tested this and proved it. So an adjunct question: Let's say we find a piano 15 cents flat. We pitch correct and fine tune and walk out the door with a follow-up appointment set for three months. When that day arrives, for those who have set such appointments, is the piano any flatter or more sour than it would have been if we found it A440 but still came back in three months? Same question, only now the piano was originally 35 cents flat. 60 cents? 120 cents? Certainly I've restrung pianos and found them pretty sick in a couple of months but have always attributed that to new wire stretch, not tension settling. Helmet on, raincoat on, rubber duckie in hand, I await your missives, if not missiles ... Alan Barnard Salem, Missouri </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">[Original Message] From: pianolover 88 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pianolover88@hotmail.com"><pianolover88@hotmail.com></a> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><pianotech@ptg.org></a> Date: 12/20/2005 6:24:24 PM Subject: Re: How to explain a pitch adjustment..and! Depending on the amount of PR, ususally more than 12C, I always schedule </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">a </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">"follow-up" tuning in 1-3 months, explaining that after restoring all </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">that </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">loststring tension, the piano now must "settle" and adjust to that added tension, and it some shifting of will occur. So the follow-up is crucial </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">in </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">building long term stabilty. And that tuning will leave the piano much </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">more </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">stable because tuning pin movement will be much smaller than during the initial PR and tuning. Again, never a problem. Yes, it does help to have </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">a </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">high confidence level and be able to effectively communicate and impart information to your client in a clearand concice manner. I am a salesman </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">as </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">well as a technician; that has made the difference between just getting </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">by </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">to making a six figures. Terry Peterson </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>