<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Kevin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As earlier mentioned, a stick covered = with felt placed on the strings to help dampen them, will show is the dampers are = really working.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 09, 2001 = 10:34 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Plate = Ringing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Yes, strumming the = strings was one of the first things I tried. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I'm starting to = think that the correct answer is the one I got from Don Mannino, that just because = the dampers seem to be working, they may not be. Possibly the dampers may = actually be too small for the piano, they looked like they were about 2" long. = Hate to have to install all new dampers on a "new" piano though. My initial = inspection gave me the impression that we could probably put all new dampers on = it, and it wouldn't help, but maybe I'm wrong. If that ends up happening, and = it makes a big difference, I'll let the list know.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Kevin E. Ramsey<BR><A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A> = </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=diskladame@provide.net = href="mailto:diskladame@provide.net">Z! Reinhardt</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 08, 2001 = 6:20 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Plate = Ringing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have you tried "raking" the strings = (everything in rest position) with a fingernail or guitar pick to see if = any dampers are letting any sound bleed through?  How about doing = this with the sustain pedal depressed, then released quickly to see what = sounds continue to ring afterwards?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When you strike the plate with the = heel of your hand or whatever it takes to cause the whole piano to ring, could = you make the ring go away by grasping the plate struts or planting a hand = firmly on the plate somewhere?  I once ran into this phenomena on a = Japanese-made grand.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Z! Reinhardt  RPT<BR>Ann = Arbor  MI<BR><A = href="mailto:diskladame@provide.net">diskladame@provide.net</A></FONT><= /DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, = 2001 10:46 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Plate = Ringing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I had an odd = occurrence today that I really hope that you all can help me with. I had = a customer who has a new Steinway model 4510 (model 45?) studio, = with damper problems. When I got out there, it's kind of a damper problem, but = not really. The problem is;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A)  The whole piano rings, = when you play a chord or any note in a staccato fashion.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>B)  The pedals are not = lifting the dampers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>C) The spoons are not too early, = the strings have plenty of follow.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D) The dampers are aligned = properly. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    In short, no = real problem with the damper system. What I did notice while working on the = trapwork was that if I stuck the plate with the heel of my hand, the whole = piano would ring. When you struck the piano anywhere, it would ring. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I did notice = that some of the bi-chords where indented by the strings, but they had = plenty of follow-through.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    The waste ends = on the hitch pin side of the strings were already braided. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I tried = striking notes with my hand on groups of strings, and no effect. I strummed = groups of notes and found nothing leaking. And yet the whole piano had a = real ring to it. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I'm just = wondering if the plate, being sand cast, could have warped and twisted enough to = cause some weird tension on it which would cause it to ring like a bell. I = mean, if something as massive as a plate wanted to ring, could you really = expect the energy to go up the strings to be damped by little pieces of felt?  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I hope that = someone can help me out. Tomorrow I call Kent Webb, and see if he can help.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    One = interesting note here. This piano was just purchased three months ago. I looked it up in = the Atlas, it was produced in '96.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kevin E. Ramsey<BR><A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>