<HTML>Hi Joe, I am not familian with a sheperd's crook(would that be a sheep rustler..= .:-)?  What kind of bend would that be?   In this instance, I'm lucky.  It's not a pressure situation, like a= n upcoming concert, and the customer can wait.   Thanks for your suggestion, Dave Stahl, In a message dated 5/26/04 6:58:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, imatunr@srv= inet.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Hi Dave, There is another knotfor bass strings that might work in this c= ase, One end ( the wraped ) is like the usual knot, while the other looks li= ke a shepherds crook. Use pipe cleaners to practice tying. The knot is applied by dry fitting the two ends and measuring the length= for the coil, before making the becket and coil. Start the coil and watch t= he ends so that when thet are close they can be mated. You will have to &nbs= p;twist the crook into position or loosen the hitch and mate the two ends th= en twist the string in the direction of the inner wrap. The twist will only = be like a half turn or so and is not hard to work with. </BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML>