<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2715.400" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Actually, that was David Andersen who uses the fourths.  But on this matter, I did have my Verituner run out of juice the other day, the one day I didn't carry my charger.  I had to do a couple of pianos without a device--first time in awhile.  It is surprising how alarming it is at first when you are accustomed to working in a particular way.  But, like riding a bike, once you get on and start peddling, it all comes back.  I was still able to produce a good tuning in an hour or less.  Had to do a pitch raise on one of the pianos.  That's where you really miss the device.  It makes that first pass so much easier and accurate.  And even though I felt quite comfortable doing an aural tuning, I don't think I'll leave the charger at home again.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> <DIV>David Love</DIV> <DIV><A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kevin.e.ramsey@cox.net href="mailto:kevin.e.ramsey@cox.net">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 3/31/2003 6:40:34 PM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Relevant OT (?) was - Computer clock</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jonathan, Dave, et al,,,,,,,,  I would like to think that having an ETD "go down" would not inhibit any piano technician from continuing in his work. It might be a little more like "work", but if you really can't do it without the machine, then you need a little more education in the tuning art. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Even if I'm using my Accutuner, I'm still listening to intervals as I go. I know I see a lot of people who aren't doing that. I think it was David Love, wasn't it, who said that all his fourths beat about the same?  I've been checking this, and yes, you can get a very lovely result with this amount of stretch. Even if you use a machine, one of the last things I do before leaving the piano is to check the seventeenths for smooth progression, any notes that have "slipped" will stick out like a sore thumb.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    And of course, the RPT exam is only a minimum of what is expected of someone who wished to attain that level in our field, there's a lot more work to do later, if your desire is to improve.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just my 2 cents, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kevin. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Dave, that's a good question.<BR>I had heard that aural tuning was getting worse and worse...Are aural<BR>tuners finally bad enough that we need to ask that question?  *nudge<BR>nudge, wink wink*<BR><BR><BR>Jonathan Finger RPT<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On<BR>Behalf Of Dave Davis<BR>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:50 PM<BR>To: Kevin E. Ramsey; Pianotech<BR>Subject: Relevant OT (?) was - Computer clock<BR><BR>Kevin,<BR>You forgot the ever present "how many can tune without<BR>the Electronic Tuning Device"<BR><BR>Still learning that one,<BR><BR>Dave Davis<BR>Renton, WA<BR><BR>--- "Kevin E. Ramsey" <<A href="mailto:kevin.e.ramsey@cox.net">kevin.e.ramsey@cox.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>     what happens when the GPS system goes down?  How<BR>many pilot/navigators can actually plot a course with<BR>a sextant?  Or how many people can do advanced math<BR>without calculators???<BR>>     Scary, when you think about it.....<BR>> Kevin E. Ramsey, RPT  <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>