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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM>"..... the guy..... "tuned the piano to =
itself."
I asked her why did he leave it flat? She siad she didn't
know."</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'm really not sure why that is so common, but =
my best
guess is that two prime factors are involved (maybe more?).
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I believe many of the "old timers" - piano =
technicians who
were trained many years ago - were commonly instructed to not raise =
pitch. Why?
I have no idea, but I have been told that was common to teach a new =
technician
many years ago.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My guess is that also there are techs out there =
who have
had minimal training or improper training and simply don't know how to =
raise the
pitch of the piano. I think also there are some techs who either have =
not been
trained on how to replace a string or choose to not invest in the tools =
and
supplies to replace a string - so they are afraid to raise pitch becuase =
of the
potential for strings breaking.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I was thinking of what you said earlier about =
leaving a
piano flat. I just returned from my eye doctor who own an old
upright. I'm not certain of the brandd, but she claims that it's =
from
the 1800s. I won't dispute her of course because I haven't seen the =
piano, but
she told me that the guy, a seasons pro like most of you guys, "tuned =
the
piano to itself." I asked her why did he leave it flat? =
She siad
she didn't know. She asked about strings etc. She said =
that it's
flat because her obo when played with it shows that the piano is =
off.
Are there cases to leave a piano flat, or did this guy tune the piano =
to a
different a fork? I've heard that old pianos are tuned to a =
lower
A</FONT><FONT face=Arial>. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>ps. I never tune a4 tof3. I like f2 =
because I can
hear the beats better. </FONT></DIV>
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Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Geoff Sykes"
<thetuner@ivories52.com> <BR><BR>> The techs I refer to =
shall
remain anonymous for my protection. And they are <BR>> definitely =
NOT
"tooner's." Just techs with a different opinion and different =
<BR>>
experiences than you. And that's OK. I've learned from them and now =
I've
<BR>> learned from you. Whats wonderful about this is that now I =
get to
take <BR>> several different viewpoints and make an "educated" =
opinion of
what to do <BR>> next. Thanks to all. <BR>> <BR>> The =
customer
definitely does not want to sell her piano. I was just curious. =
<BR>> She
just wants to be able to play it again. I'm glad that I now have =
lots of
<BR>> encouraging information to share with her about how to =
proceed with
making <BR>> this wonderful piano whole again. <BR>> <BR>> =
-- Geoff
Sykes <BR>>! -- Assoc. Los Angeles <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>
-----Original Message----- <BR>> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf <BR>> Of Farrell =
<BR>>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:48 AM <BR>> To: Pianotech =
<BR>>
Subject: Re: Lovely birdcage - what to do? <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> Who
the heck are these "techs" (or rather, "tooners") that suggest to =
leave
<BR>> the pitch where it is. I run across so many pianos that are =
a semi
tone flat <BR>> <BR>> and the owner is shocked when I suggest =
that we
raise to standard pitch <BR>> because all the other tooners said =
it could
not be done. <BR>> <BR>> Pitch raise the darn thing to A440 =
and be
done with it. You might want to <BR>> yank a few treble and bass =
strings
up there first just to be sure, but I <BR>> pitch raise 100 year =
old
uprights to standard pitch all the time. Haven't <BR>> had one =
explode on
me yet. If this were one of those scantily b! uilt <BR>> =
150-year-old
English minimum-plate birdcages, I think there might be some =
<BR>>
justification for concern (I'd likely warn the customer that the =
piano might
<BR>> <BR>> fold up in half), but I'd still be willing to try =
it if
the owner wanted to <BR>> try to get it up to standard pitch. =
However,
this is a monster heavily built <BR>> <BR>> German piano from =
the 20th
Century. IMHO if they want it at A440 (and that <BR>> would be my =
recommendation to the owner), put it there for them. <BR>> =
<BR>> And
everything looks original to me also. REAL CLEAN - you bet, but all =
<BR>>
original. Very pretty piano. <BR>> <BR>> What's it worth? Its =
value is
the case and the amazing fact that there <BR>> really is a piano =
within.
Someone will be willing to pay something for that. <BR>> <BR>> =
Hard to
say for sure what one could get for it - because the buyer will be =
<BR>>
that person that takes one look at it and falls in love with it! - =
but I
<BR>> would guess that the owner could get somewhere between $1K =
and $2K
- maybe <BR>> more if the right person were to see it. <BR>> =
<BR>>
Terry Farrell <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- =
<BR>> >
You think this piano could be brought up to 440, perhaps in stages, =
<BR>>
> without <BR>> > any problems? I was so afraid to do a =
pitch raise
on this thing because of <BR>> > what other local techs have =
advised
that I never even thought that perhaps <BR>> > the added =
tension would
improve the pin tightness. Worth a try.> <BR>> > -- Geoff =
Sykes
<BR>> > -- Assoc. Los Angeles <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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