<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Hi,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Another way to get the glue in to the crack, is to use a pig. This is a reservoir for air, and you just put an air nozzle on it, and blow. They normally, come with a connector, that you can blow your tire up with.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>You can fill them at a gas station, if you don't have an air compressor. </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>You might even be able to borrow one, to do the job.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR><A href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=imatunr@srvinet.com href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">Joe And Penny Goss</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:23 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Baldwin Hamilton loose side panel</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi again Jerry,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It has been my experience that a tipper will not work for this project as the glue needs to be applied from the rear of the piano to get the neatest finished repair. One thing that I omited, to get the G glue to travel further into the seperated area use 2" masking tape to cover the crevasse.  This will somewhat direct the glue deeper between the two parts.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tipping the piano will only minimally allow  glue to travel with gravity, as the glue will suspend between the two sides and stop its flow due to surface tension.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G glue is thicker than Tightbond but just a little swells up to 4 times its liquid volume. Then hardens to a sort of plastic that has little crawl.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:21 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Baldwin Hamilton loose side panel</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=7><EM><U>NO!</U></EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Get a proper upright piano tilter.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Jerry Cohen" <</FONT><A href="mailto:emailforjc@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2>emailforjc@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "'Pianotech'" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:49 PM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: RE: Baldwin Hamilton loose side panel</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> David and Joe,<BR>> <BR>> Thanks for the excellent information.<BR>> One more question. Is it safe to tilt the piano forward with 1 person, or<BR>> should I bring a helper? <BR>> <BR>> Also, for Joe; does Gorilla glue get along well with Goose juice, or do they<BR>> need separate cages? Sorry, couldn't help that one.<BR>> <BR>> Thanks for the help.<BR>> <BR>> Jerry Cohen<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: </FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf<BR>> Of Dave Nereson<BR>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:08 AM<BR>> To: Pianotech<BR>> Subject: Re: Baldwin Hamilton loose side panel<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Jerry Cohen" <</FONT><A href="mailto:emailforjc@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2>emailforjc@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To: "'Pianotech'" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 6:57 PM<BR>> Subject: Baldwin Hamilton loose side panel<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> . . . . .<BR>> > My question is, what is the best way to make this repair? The side panel<BR>> is<BR>> > attached, but I can separate it slightly from the back frame everywhere<BR>> from<BR>> > top to bottom at the back. In order to get glue in, I think it would be<BR>> best<BR>> > to tilt the piano forward and rest it on the keybed. Can the keybed<BR>> support<BR>> > this weight?<BR>> <BR>>         Heck yeah; you might tighten screws first just so everything's<BR>> solid.<BR>> <BR>> >Also, what is the best glue to use now? Should I use epoxy, or<BR>> > is yellow glue ok?<BR>> <BR>>         Yellow glue should be fine as long as you can do a good clamping<BR>> job.<BR>> <BR>> > I was planning on using long pipe clamps the full width<BR>> > of the piano. Getting the glue in is my biggest concern.<BR>> <BR>>     Sounds good.  That's what I've done in the past.  Use a long soundboard<BR>> steel or old hacksaw blade to distribute the glue around in the crack.<BR>> <BR>>  > Has anyone seen this problem?  Appreciate any help.<BR>>      > Thanks.<BR>>  > Jerry Cohen<BR>>  > NJ chapter<BR>> <BR>>     Yes.  A few times.  I fixed it just the way you're thinking.  Just make<BR>> sure everything's lined up correctly so you don't end up with bad regulation<BR>> problems.  But it sounds like the side hasn't come completely loose on<BR>> yours, so you should be OK.<BR>>     --David Nereson, RPT<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list info: </FONT><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT face=Arial size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list info: </FONT><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT face=Arial size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>