<HTML><HEAD></HEAD> <BODY style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER= -LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none"> You probably only need to repin unless when you're reaming (Mann= ino's reamers right?) you feel a lot of crap in the bushing. &nbsp= ; Could be from too much glue...is this Korean?   Probab= ly... David I.   <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5p= x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message From: "Matthew Todd" <TODDPIANOWORKS@YAHOO.COM> = To: Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> Received: 9/13/2005 2:31:05 PM = Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? <DIV align=left>Should I take the opportunity to rebush as well?</DIV= > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Matthew "William R. Monroe" <pianotech@a440piano.n= et> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px= ; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">David, It is a Shafer & So= ns grand. Age...........? Respectfully, William R. Monroe = ----- Original Message ----- From: "David's Email" <ILVEY@S= BCGLOBAL.NET> To: "Pianotech" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> Sent: Tuesday, = September 13, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease= get more responses? > M... > > Is this a stu= dio or grand? > > David I. > ----- Original Message -= ---- > From: "William R. Monroe" <PIANOTECH@A440PIANO.NET> &g= t; To: "Pianotech" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> > Sent: Tuesday, September= 13, 2005 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get = more responses? > > > > Matthew, > > &= gt; > As I said before, I'd repin in this situation. I would also op= t for > > taking > > it to the shop - depending on w!= hat kind of drive time you would face. It > > certainly co= uld be done in the home, but my experience is that these > > t= hings > > often take more time than you expect, and further, e= specially as you are > > getting the hang of the procedure, it= might be nice to not have the client > > looking over your= shoulder. > > > > I'd check each flange, repinning t= o get each one at a consistent swing > > number. I know some t= echs will opt for obtaining a specific level of > > friction (= 6 grams, 7 grams, graduating, etc.). I don't know that either > &= gt; method is superior to the other provided you understand the process= and > > what > > each is telling you - e.g. 7 swings= on a bass hammer will have more > > friction > > at = the pinning than 7 swings on a treble hammer - all other things being<B= R>> > equal. > > > > What is the make of the pi= ano ! BTW? Curiosity.......... > > > > Respectfully,<= BR>> > William R. Monroe > > > > > > -= ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Todd" <TODDPIA= NOWORKS@YAHOO.COM> > > To: "Pianotech" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> = > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:36 PM > > Subjec= t: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more responses? > > = > > > >> Some of the worst hammers there don't swing = at all. About six of them > >> are > > that bad, a= nd others have between one to two. There are some others that &gt= ; > "seem" to be fine. I say "seem" because I tested their piano by = playing > > it > > first, finding the really bad ones= , then taking the action out and really > > examining them = to pinpoint the problem. > >> > >> Matthew &= gt; >> "William R. Monroe" <PIANOTECH@A440PIANO.NET>wrote: &gt= ; >! ;> Hi Matthew, > >> > >> You wrote: = "Could this just be related to swelling?" > >> > >= > Only you can tell us. Is it humid there now? Does it get dry in th= e > >> winter, and then, are the hammer centers more free? = You'll need to do > >> some > >> analyzing your= self and determine what is your best solution. If the > > hamm= ers > >> are really seized up (less than a couple swings), = I'd be comfortable > > saying > >> that it's not j= ust humidity, and opt for repinning. Of course, if the > >>= bushings are all full of nastys, maybe needs new bushings? > &gt= ;> > >> Once you've determined the cause of the problem,= then determine the > > solution > >> that works f= or you and your client. > >> > >> Respectfully,= > >> William R. Monroe > >> > >><B= R>> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > = >> From: "Matthew Todd" > >> To: "Pianotech" > = >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:20 PM = > >> Subject: Re: Repinning....Can I pullease get more respons= es? > >> > >> > >> > I believe I= will take the action home with me. These are hammer > >> &= gt; centers. > >> The hammers are very tight to move! Could= this just be related to > > swelling? > >> ><B= R>> >> > This is not a Steinway. I don't believe I have the= Mannino, but I do > > have > >> a set I ordered f= rom Schaff, and a good center pin punch. > >> > > = >> > Matthew > >> > > >> > J Pat= rick Draine wrote: > >> > Matthew, > >> >= If you are already skilled & speedy at repinning action parts, go = for > >> > it. But it sounds like you aren't so ... brin= g the action to your > >> > shop. It will probably take = you more than 4 hours (are these hammer > >> > centers? = jack centers? damper lever centers??). > >> > Why are yo= u repinning? Parts frozen up? Are treatment with Protec > >&gt= ; > CPL, or sizing the bushings with an alcohol/water solution, viab= le > >> > alternative solutions? > >> > I= s this a Steinway?? If so, it's likely you're dealing with > >= > > verdigris, and repinning is seldom the correct remedy (parts<= BR>> >> > replacement is best). > >> > Give = us more details and we'll be able to give more precise advice. > = >> > Do you have appropriate tools? The Mannino broaches, a qu= ality center > >> > pin punch, etc? > >> &gt= ; Patrick Draine > >> > > >> > On S! ep 1= 3, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Matthew Todd wrote: > >> > > = >> > > I will be undergoing a repinning project on a client= 's grand. The > >> > > "G" Piano Works guide says it = takes 4 hours. Is it appropiate to > >> > > do this p= roject in the client's home, or do I need to take the > >> = > > action with me and do it in the shop? If I take the action wi= th > >> > > me, that brings up another question. 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