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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> You know, Richard I =
had to think
about this for a couple of days before I really wanted to even address =
the
issue. I have my own tastes, I suppose, growing up on Beethoven, Chopin, =
a
little Brahms etc. I just don't like overly stretched tunings. Sure, =
I'll do it
once I know the customer is asking for it. Now, I'm not talking just =
about
octave 7 here, as far as I am concerned, most people never play octaves =
that
high and they're looking for something that MELODICALLY sounds right to =
them. I
also start to drop the very lowest notes when appropriate, because they =
sound
better when played as an arpeggio toward the lower note. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> What I'm talking =
about, really,
is the size of the temperament. I just don't like an octave in the =
middle of the
piano to have a noticeable beat to it. Sounds too busy to me. Other =
tuners
(some) say that a 4/2 octave with an artificial 1.5 cent stretch added =
to it
sounds "dead". I know one Concert Tuner here in Phoenix who tunes his
temperament with a noticeable beat in the octave. Sorry, don't like it.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> What I like to do, =
and most
people really like it ( but that could be because of stability and clean =
unisons
for all I know) is this; I tune the temperament with a =
little added
stretch beyond 4/2, about 1.5 cents. That's from F3 to A4, narrowing off =
at A4
to an almost pure 4/2. From C/5 to E/5 I'm tuning a pure 4/2, =
checking
that my double octaves don't have an obvious beat. ( I usually tune down =
to the
break after the temperament, checking all intervals as I go.) When I get =
to F5,
I start tuning between a clean octave and a perfect 12th. From C6 up I =
usually
do a pure double octave with maybe a cent or two of additional stretch. =
In the
past I just tuned double octaves the rest of the way, but I am ready to =
concede
that perhaps I should not worry about the harmonic relationships up =
there, and
instead concentrate on the melodic aspect of human hearing. I think the =
top
octave could end up being a moot point, I guess. So, where you end up =
may not be
as important as what the main portion of the tuning is, anyway. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> All I know, is that =
the piano
sounds good to me when I hear it played, have never ever had a =
complaint, and I
have never even heard third hand that anyone thought my tunings sounded =
"flat"
or "dead" when played in performance. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If I tune pure =
double octaves as
described above, I hardly ever get above 45 cents at C8. =
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look, here's a test; when you're =
done play
four octaves at the same time toward the top of the keyboard. Do they =
all sound
solid? Do they all sound pretty much the same? Hey, they should! If so, =
you've
done your job well, in my opinion, at least. ( except going into the =
area of E7,
you'll start to hear it, if you really start stretching like I
said.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> How Much Stretch =
?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>List <BR><BR>On the side of the other threads... I have =
a
question I<BR>would appreciate some feedback on. Often when using =
ETDs<BR>that
calculate tuning curves based on inharmonicity samples,<BR>I find that =
the
resulting tuning curve shows the highest<BR>notes up in the +40 to +45 =
cents
(sometimes even higher)<BR>range. <BR><BR>This seems reallly high to =
me, and I
wonder if you all<BR>accept this degree of treble stretch, or you =
modify
things. <BR><BR>My fooling around with the 12ths tuning revealed real
quick<BR>that the 3rd partial of F6 almost never gets above =
+35<BR>cents....
and this F6's coincident to C8's fundemental.<BR>Seems like a pretty =
natural
place to stop... or what ?<BR><BR>Curious as usual
:)<BR><BR>RicB</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>