<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans Serif"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1491" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Alan,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks very much for your detailed reply.  = That's great stuff, please see comments interspersed...</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net = href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 10:53 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Rookie tech learns = valuable lesson</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><BR><BR>Okay. Take a deep breath and let your = pulse slow down a little .....<BR><BR>Ah, that's better. Now ...<BR><BR>Best advice<BR><BR>No 1: Find an aural tuner willing to spend some time = with you so you can see, hear, and try with the voice of experience in the room.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><FONT size=2>I have  two great guys = offering to help with this.  Roger and Ron both have many years experience.</FONT> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><FONT size=2></FONT><BR>No 2 (and I never really = had much of number 1, myself, since I live where the population density is about = the same as the average IQ and population "density" can take on a whole new = meaning. But I digress:<BR>Attend every PTG tuning class you can get into and = your local...</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I've been to California's Conferences, they put on = a great one, almost like the national which, this year, is a long way from = your house but still would be worth it --Rochester, NY,  in = July.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=Arial></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>My "local" chapter is a 6 hour drive = away.  But I will definately be at the convention in Calgary in February, and = possibly the national (only a 3 or so hour flight) in = June.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>No 4: Read articles related to temperament = setting, etc., WHILE SITTING AT A PIANO and trying what you are reading. There have = been many excellent positings here. Search google with appropriate key words and = put this in the searth window, too, without the quote marks "site:ptg.org" = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I've read alot of the archives...</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>No 7: Be patient and persevering. You will wake up = one day and say "Why did I ever think a had a problem with that?" Promise.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I believe you, it's happened with a few = things...but patience in not my forte....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>No 8: The following tips will save = you immense struggling to understand and much frustration. Ready? Pay attention: = The various tests for octaves and intervals are ALL for one basic purpose, = and that is to tell you if you are on the correct side of = the interval, e.g., a slightly wide 5th can beat at exactly the same = rate as a correct, slightly narrow 5th. And it's the same for all = intervals. You can tune D4 to F3, perhaps, and say, gee, that's a nice marching tempo = 8 bps, even though it just happens to be a little narrow instead of a little = wide. Getting on the right side of intervals is about half the battle. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I do understand this - no problem-</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Learn to hear the correct beat for tuning. = Sometimes, playing the interval more softly or ghosting it will prevent false = beats from confusing you. Sometimes you have to listen a bit until the strings = settle down from the initial shock of the hammer to be sure you are hearing = the right beat.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, this is especially true on my pos with rock hard = hammers...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>No 9: Potter's temperament is as good as any, = for a new tuner, and easier than some. You might stick with that. OR you = might find it easier to tune with 4ths/5ths, some people do, and he has, if I = remember right, a variation allowing that. I would also recommend studying and practicing the Sanderson 2-Octave temperament as you will learn a lot = about inharmonicity compensation across the tenor break and a lot about = contiguous thirds, which can be immensely helpful in setting a solid you-can-trust-it foundation for the remainder of the temperament. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Okay, I think I'll have to go with the 4ths & 5ths, seems = easier to hear for me.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Learn to set a note (string and pin) so that it = stays where you put it BUT never trust it completely as you are learning. Always = backtrack a little and double-check as you tune.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I don't have too much trouble setting the string and pin at this stage.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>And when things just aren't working, I will bet = dollars to donuts that you have an interval on the wrong side of wide/narrow. = Check, check, check.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>I'll remember that.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Bonne chance, cher ami, vous serez merveilleux! </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>You'd have better luck speaking German....</DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT size=3>Alan Barnard<BR>Salem, = Missouri<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><FONT size=2>Thanks again Alan, This has been = very encouraging,</FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT size=3><FONT size=2>Norma Neufeld</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><FONT size=2>Saskatoon, Sk</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV></FONT> <P> <HR> <P></P>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free = Edition.<BR>Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release = Date: 11/2/05<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>