<HTML><HEAD></HEAD> <BODY> I think it is absolutely fantastic that so many new= tuners are learning to tune aurally.   Get really= skilled at that, pass the PTG Tuning test at 90 % or better,= then get a SAT III, Verituner etc.and THEN you'll see what all= the ETD tuners have been talking about.   Let me put= it this way.   Why should I use my ear/brain to get= the string in the ballpark?   It's going to= change.  I'm going to have to come back and re-tune it= anyway.  What am I accomplishing by that= exercise?  Any pitch change more than 2 cents is going= to require re-tuning that string.   If you don't think= so, you haven't had an ETD to show you how much things= change.  Why not use the ETD like the tool it is, no= more a crutch than your screwdriver...you could use your= fingers as God intended...why not quickly and accurately= get your piano close enough to really be able to tune it= aurally.  IMHO   David Ilvedson, RPT       ----- Original message= ----------------------------------------> From: Bec and= John <<A= href="mailto:bjsilva001@comcast.net">bjsilva001@comcast.net</A>&= gt; To: Pianotech <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Rec= eived: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:30:42 -0400 Subject: Re: tuning= 'notes' Hi André, <BLOCKQUOTE>Instead, if we truly realize that we finally= can rely on modern day 's electronic progress, we do not have to= 'solve' the Chinese puzzle </BLOCKQUOTE> That is, of= course, until we learn 10 years from now that these ETD's= weren't actually hearing everything :) Some call it scientific= progress, while I call it repeated amnesia regarding our= inability to know what we don't know. Though, not to suggest= that electronic technology is not useful - you seem to me to be= the kind of person who makes use of an ETD, rather than uses it= as a crutch. <BLOCKQUOTE>but I have learned that the quality of your= unisons by far make up for a tuning that is not 100 %= accurate. </BLOCKQUOTE> That is really fascinating you say= that. I have always focused a lot of time and effort on tuning= unisons, and while I am not always happy with my temperament I= usually don't mind because of the unisons. - John= </BODY></HTML>