<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I'm not sure if the capo hardness = was ever right since the problem was there before it was restrung, also.  = The problem didn't surface until the piano was a year old or so.  Then = it took about the same amount of time for the problem to surface after it was restrung.  It was the repetition of the timing and the symptoms = that got my attention.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the suggestions of inserting = the brass half round or half oval.  I will try that.  BTW, what sort of establishment would carry those?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 28, = 2006 9:33 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: v-bar/capo = repair</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Are you = sure it’s a soft v-bar?  How much material did the stringer take off?  = Is it possible he actually filed through the hardened section?  How = long and what is the angle of the counterbearing section?  Is the = counterbearing area flat or sloped?  Can you manage to insert something to = increase the deflection angle and shorten and detune the segment?  You might experiment by inserting a cut piece of brass half round or half oval underneath this section to see if that doesn’t help.  Have you = looked at the v bar with a mirror to examine its shape?  I would certainly = try that before considering torching the v bar.  </SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">David Love</SPAN></FONT><FONT = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><BR>davidlovepianos@comcast.net = </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>ed440@mindspring.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, February 28, = 2006 7:22 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> = </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Pianotech = List</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: v-bar/capo repair</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Did the rebuilder file it correctly?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Paul Revenko-Jones has a fine = class on this. Maybe he could send you his handout = sheets.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You might also try moving the = strike point on those notes.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ed S.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Barbara Richmond <BR><PIANO57@INSIGHTBB.COM>Sent: Feb 28, 2006 6:13 PM <BR>To: = Pianotech <BR><PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Subject: v-bar/capo repair = </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv="Content-Type"><ZZZMETA content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" = name="GENERATOR"></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgColor="#ffffff">Howdy,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Back to the 8' Seiler = grand.  Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record.  Here's the story:  I serviced this piano when it was new.  Not long = into its life, it developed a noisy duplex at the low end of the treble = section.  I muted it off.  I tuned it for a few years, I moved away...</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I moved back.  In = the meantime, the piano was restrung.  I started servicing it again a = year after it was delivered.  9 months into servicing it, the noisy = duplex returned in the exact same spot--but add another note.  I freaked = out (not in front of the customer), the customer freaked out, too = (not in front of me).  I contacted the rebuilder who said he filed the capo. He and I came to the conclusion (whether we = are correct or not) that it is a case of soft cast iron.  I looked up hardening = cast iron in the archives.  To do that would mean taking the = plate out of the piano and that's not an option.  I'm convinced = if I refile the capo, the same thing is going to happen again.  </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know there are some = pianos that have some sort of rod installed at the v-bar.  Is it possible to = do the same with this piano at the capo?  Has anyone done it?  Do = you have detailed instructions?  Will someone hold my hand?.....Please?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times = New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Barbara Richmond, = RPT</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BODY>= </HTML>