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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ditto, that is why one must use checks, =
and know
what to expect. And that comes through </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>eeexperiance using the tool. Note the =
long E
<G> One other thing that I have found is that some pianos require =
less
overpull than what the device uses. It almost seems like the shorter the =
piano
the less overpull is needed. The old uprights are in the neighborhood of =
12%
bass bridge, 25% tenor bridge or to C 5, and 30% to the top. Shorter =
pianos
require less so I would presume that a S&S D might need more. =
Especialy on a
pitch raise or lowering that is mentioned at times on the list. I have =
never had
the joy of tuning a large piano so do not really know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another idea that I look for but do not =
always find
needed, is the change of stretch ala Vergil Smith at B5</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I find that most times If the SAT =
lights are
stopped on the high side of stopped ( I know that sounds wierd but there =
is a
difference ) that is where the note agrees with tests to the 4, 5, and =
octave to
be correct. If not then I change the stretch with the DOB =
shift.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A
href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI=
V>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">ilvey@sbcglobal.net</A> ; <A
title=pianotech@ptg.org =
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 12, =
2005 10:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: David Ilvedson/SAT =
Tuning
Test Scores</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That’s =
interesting
because I tune with an SAT and there are times when the FAC numbers do =
not
produce a particularly good tuning in certain sections on certain
pianos. The temperament is usually fine, but leaving the center =
octave,
things can get strange. For example, I tuned an S&S D a =
couple of
days ago. The FAC readings were something like 7.9, 9.9, =
7.2. The
upper middle of the piano had very audible beats in the octaves, quite =
disturbing really. Can’t imagine that there wouldn’t have =
been some
deduction there. I couldn’t really use the FAC numbers and =
feel good
about what it produced. I did check the measurements on =
different
strings on and around the target notes. I ended up using a =
default
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">8/7/6</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> setting =
and
stretched the whole thing using the DOB and used that as a =
guideline. It
actually worked pretty well, though I did the tuning largely aurally =
with the
SAT as a guide. Moreover, I thought that while an FAC =
reading was
taken initially on a test piano, a master tuning was created by =
consensus
altering the tuning as needed. So, while I would expect that an =
SAT
tuning might very well produce a passing score, that it would always =
produce a
100% score surprises me. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">David =
Love<BR>davidlovepianos@comcast.net
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>David =
Ilvedson<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, September 12, =
2005 7:39
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: David Ilvedson/SAT Tuning Test Scores</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>So I just checked with Michael Kimbell, =
our San
Francisco CTE and tuning examiner and he concurred with my
statement. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">David
Ilvedson</SPAN></FONT></P>
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12pt">Original
message<BR>From: "Joe Garrett" <BR><JOEGARRETT@EARTHLINK.NET>To: =
pianotech
<BR><PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Received: 9/12/2005 4:52:45 PM<BR>Subject: Re: =
David
Ilvedson/SAT Tuning Test Scores</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">David Ilvedson said:
"</SPAN></FONT>Somewhat lack it may be but SAT III will always get a =
100%
score on PTG=<BR> tuning test...not too bad a place to =
begin. Not
the stability part of=<BR> the test though...that's the tuner
totally..."</P>
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12pt"><BR>David,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where, pray tell, did you =
glean that
Preposterous Idea! Not even! Check with Tuning Examiners, before you =
make such
a wild claim! Please?<G></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">oe =
Garrett,
R.P.T.<BR>Captain, Tool Police<BR>Squares R
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