<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Well, I wouldnt be expecting miracles here. But it might be effective enough to warrant doing pitch raises this way. Perhaps more to avoid cantering the panel in a negative way then anything else. Heck maybe we are causing part of our killer octave problems by the way we tune. Anyways... a few of you give this a try and see what happens, we'll find out soon enough if its worth the time or not. Shouldnt need a puter to rough it in though... or what ? Cheers RicB "Kevin E. Ramsey" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>-- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F., I.M.P.     I've been thinking about this Richard, and I really need to try it. If it does indeed work out the way you say, it could really be revolutionary. On the other hand, the only way you can tune in this kind of disjointed way is with a machine, and for hundreds of years, there were no machines, no computers. I've thought about many things while I've been tuning, and sometimes I think that some tuners stretch so much in that area because they know that when they pull in the unisons the pitch will come down. Just random thoughts. Kevin E. Ramsey</blockquote>     -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. UiB, Bergen, Norway <A HREF="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</A> <A HREF="http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html">http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html</A>   </body> </html>