<DIV>I have come across many old pianos where a broken string has been repaired by switching to a differant tuning pin. Follow the speaking length to the pins. See whats up!<BR><BR><B><I>Warren Fisher <fishwar@bellsouth.net></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11" name=Originator> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sounds like adjacent strings are possibly crossed.  Did you check the strings behind it to see if one was way sharp?  That much turn is impossible without breaking a string.  </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did you check to see if the string becket or crosspiece that goes into the tuning pin hole is broken off? That would give you zero pitch change.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Warren</SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Warren Fisher- Navy Retired - Slidell, Louisiana </DIV> <DIV>98 2500 Dodge Cummins TD, DTT Auto, Smart Controller, E-Brake, ATF, EGT, and Boost gauges, Mag Hytec tranny and differential pans, Aux. tranny cooler, 4" exhaust, monster air filter, engine 125 hp upgrade.</DIV> <DIV>02 Titanium fiver 28E33, aerodynamic front end, 2-120W solr panls, Friendship 2000 invrtr, </DIV> <DIV>four Lifeline absorbed glass mat battries, Honda 5000 genset</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=altieri@nepiano.com href="mailto:altieri@nepiano.com">altieri</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 7/7/2005 9:12:21 AM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Stretchy Strings</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello<SPAN class=GramE>,<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I</SPAN> haven’t posted much here yet but I’ve been listening and learning.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>This list is a great help to people new to this business.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve just had someone give me a <SPAN class=SpellE>chickering</SPAN> quarter grand.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I believe <SPAN class=GramE>its</SPAN> from 1929 or around then.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>When I went to do a pitch raise it seems that most of the strings reacted normally but I’ve gotten to one that I was able to turn the pin about 180 degrees and the pitch was not changing.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>It seemed like it was only stretching a section of the string maybe?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>The strings have not really been cared for and the inside of this piano really needs some <SPAN class=SpellE>tlc</SPAN> but I was wondering if this is a hint that the whole thing should be restrung (which I might attempt anyways) or if this is something I should worry about on a string by string basis.<SPAN tyle="mso-spacerun: yes" s!>  </SPAN>Apparently their old tuner told them that he really didn’t want to charge them for tunings anymore because this piano would not hold the tune.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>When I saw it at their home some of the pins were very loose.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Now that it is in my garage (<SPAN class=GramE>its</SPAN> been fairly humid here in CT) the pins are all at a normal tightness it seems.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I’m guessing this might <SPAN class=GramE>of</SPAN> just been a result of dryness in their home?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any comments are appreciated.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Altieri<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>Richard<br>the "Piano Guy"