<html> Hi Ken,             Try lifting all the strings, on both sides of the capo and agraffes, I have found this helps in some cases. Regards roger At 10:48 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>List    Today I tuned a Baldwin L of very recent vintage for the 5th time since Sept of 2000. I hate this piano. Let me back off a little bit, I dislike tuning this piano immensely. At first I thought it was the tight pins, which there are, but soon came to realize it is the no-plate-bushing flagpoling combined with almost no friction/low deflection angle from both the capo and aggraffe sections. I can use my tuning lever to do a whammy bar effect all through the tenor and treble. I'm refering to that bar on some electric guitars that allows you to drastically alter the pitch or, if you do it quickly,  get a vibratto effect.  I naturally use a jerk motion when I tune, and I kept being reminded of my teenage years and that old Teisco guitar.    Last year, just to see how tight the pins are, I pulled a pin in octave 5 up on a string that was about 4 cts. flat and held on to the hammer and measured it with the SAT at 60+cts. sharp. I settled it back and it was still 4 cts. flat! This seems pretty drastic.    It takes me almost twice as long to tune this piano, because the unisons just won't stay. Today I tried a technique of just pounding the hell out of it the whole time, and not moving on until I was sure it was stable. I wear earplugs and a key pounder, and still it was a very unpleasant experience. I find the no friction capo/aggrafe thing harder to tune than the high friction ones, at least when there are tight pins involved. Like the Steinway uprights. I love my work, but somedays....... Just griping, Ken Jankura rpt Fayetteville PA _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> </blockquote> </html>