<html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> That’s interesting because I = tune with an SAT and there are times when the FAC numbers do not produce a particularly good tuning in certain sections on certain pianos.  = The temperament is usually fine, but leaving the center octave, things can = get strange.  For example, I tuned an S&S D a couple of days = ago.  The FAC readings were something like 7.9, 9.9, 7.2.  The upper = middle of the piano had very audible beats in the octaves, quite disturbing = really.  Can’t imagine that there wouldn’t have been some deduction = there.  I couldn’t really use the FAC numbers and feel good about what it produced.  I did check the measurements on different strings on and = around the target notes.  I ended up using a default 8/7/6 setting and = stretched the whole thing using the DOB and used that as a guideline.  It = actually worked pretty well, though I did the tuning largely aurally with the SAT = as a guide.   Moreover, I thought that while an FAC reading was = taken initially on a test piano, a master tuning was created by consensus = altering the tuning as needed.  So, while I would expect that an SAT tuning = might very well produce a passing score, that it would always produce a 100% score = surprises me.    <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Monday, September = 12, 2005 7:39 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: David = Ilvedson/SAT Tuning Test Scores   So I just checked with Michael Kimbell, our San Francisco CTE and tuning examiner and he concurred with my statement.   = David = Ilvedson <div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in = 0in 4.0pt'> <div class=MsoNormal align=center = style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Original message From: "Joe Garrett" <JOEGARRETT@EARTHLINK.NET>To: pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Received: 9/12/2005 4:52:45 PM Subject: Re: David Ilvedson/SAT Tuning Test Scores David Ilvedson said: = "Somewhat lack it may be but SAT III will always get a 100% score on PTG=  tuning test...not too bad a place to begin.  Not the = stability part of=  the test though...that's the tuner totally..." <div> David, </div> <div> Where, pray tell, did you glean that = Preposterous Idea! Not even! Check with Tuning Examiners, before you make such a wild = claim! Please?<G> </div> <div> Joe Garrett, R.P.T. Captain, Tool Police Squares R I </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>