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<DIV>I would sure like to hear more on this topic. As a tuner still on a =
steep
learning curve, I wonder just what I should be doing with my octaves, =
but I
find that the SAT III is either right where I wish it to be, or =
sometimes I do
find that it seems to have calculated a tuning with too much stretch, =
and I have
to enter negative numbers in the DOB to slow the beating down - =
occasionally
quite a bit.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry Farrell <SPAN =
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">David Love</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 21, 2001 =
11:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: more on this =
temperament
thing</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>My experience suggests that C8 at 43+ is not a =
conservative
stretch but a fairly healthy one. To my ear, I usually reduce =
the
stretch (on the SATIII via the DOB). On concert =
grands I seem
to prefer it a bit under 40. On smaller grands =
and
uprights, in the mid 30's. Of course the general scaling =
does make
a difference. But generally I find the standard setting on =
a SATIII
over stretches. I am curious what other people =
find.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>David Love</FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dm.porritt@verizon.net =
href="mailto:dm.porritt@verizon.net">David
M. Porritt</A> </DIV>
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title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> October 21, 2001 7:40 =
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: more on this =
temperament
thing</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bill:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You've talked quite a bit of your "tempered octaves" but as one =
who has
seen everything from 2:1 octaves to outrageously stretched octaves I =
don't
know what kind of stretch you're talking about. Could you give =
us some
numbers so we can know what you mean by tempered octaves? =
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For example, when I tune a Steinway D my C6 is stretched to =
5.06, C7 is
16.11, and C8 is 43.84. This is what I consider a conservative =
tuning. What kind of numbers do you get? On any piano, =
just
measure your C6, 7, & 8 and tell us what model piano it is, and =
how it
stretches with your tempered octaves. That would be very
informative.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>dave<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR =
***********<BR><BR>On 10/21/01 at 7:19 AM Billbrpt@AOL.COM
wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
2px solid"><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a message dated 10/21/01 =
6:07:55 AM
Central Daylight Time, davidlovepianos@earthlink.net (David Love) =
writes:
<BR><BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">That being said, if the pianist needs an altered =
tuning to
create excitement, he should practice =
more.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 =
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>It's always
been my belief, as a piano technician that the better prepared the =
piano,
the better equipped the artist is. Remember that I have not
advocated *HT* as such for Jazz. To you, this implies =
*altered*
tuning which means something quite noticeably different and thus =
creates
an *interference* with what you do rather than provide an =
enhancement.
<BR><BR>I don't know if you can or have tried my EBVT but as I =
have
designed it (with Tempered Octaves), it is meant to enhance your =
playing,
not shock or disturb your musical sensibilities. It is meant =
to
provide definition, texture and clarity, not weird, jarring and =
shocking
dissonances. If the EBVT is still to *altered* for you, I =
believe
you might benefit from the Marpurg (also with my Tempered Octaves =
system).
I will give your piano an uncanny clean, crisp and clear =
sound but
absolutely will not create any distinction between keys.
<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 =
size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Bill Bremmer RPT <BR>Madison, =
Wisconsin</FONT><FONT
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Arial></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT><PRE>_____________________________
David M. Porritt
dporritt@mail.smu.edu
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
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