<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>  Roger</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>     Dittos to your = post.  Is North American parts a brand or a style(meaning stwy factory parts.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Speaking of that = I've used both the factory supplied Renner wippens and also the new maple factory made = wippen and I think they fit the old actions better than any thing else I've tried.  The maple wippens come in at about 18 or so grams(wow) and = are an (almost) exact replication of the original part.  The Renner parts = slightly more 20 iish grams but they fit as well.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>     There are more = specifics if any body cares but I'm off to church just now .</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>   Talk later</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dale Erwin</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca" = title=baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca>jolly roger</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:24 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: Chickering brass flanges</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Hi Dale,<BR>          &nbs= p; I've found the Tokiwa parts to be every bit as good as Renner and Abel.  = The wippens are 1gm lighter than Renner, and are maple.  A definite = advantage where touch weight is a concern.<BR><BR>Like you I have a complete set = of Renner, Abel, Tokiwa, and North American Parts.  It takes all the = guess work out of ordering, when you do mock up prior to starting.<BR><BR>I = like to do DW/UW/friction measurements with the old parts, then install each = part,  measure and compare to see cause and effect.  I then order the = parts. <BR>This I do, after rebushing, fully servicing, and fitting the keybed = for correct bushing clearance etc.<BR>As this can skew results, and it = further reduces the risk of error.<BR><BR>Maybe this will be helpful to = some.<BR>Regards Roger<BR><BR>PS.  Some of Wally's parts are Tokiwa.<BR><BR>At 05:49 = PM 4/7/01 -0700, you wrote: <BR><FONT face=arial size=2> <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">  Wim</FONT><BR><FONT size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial size=2>    = I've done this twice and I believe that the parts I used to match the old ones came = from pacific(the tokiwa parts).  As much as I've heard these parts = denigrated by some I have found the complaints unfounded. In fact they are  = very well made parts and  I don't hesitate to use them when = needed.  I suspect that Renner and Brooks(Abel) have parts that would fit as well = and I'm sure that the new line of Tokiwa knabe and chickering wippens will be = a welcome asset to our parts replacement endeavors and possibly yours. = To my knowledge no other maker provides these style wippens</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>      Typically when I replace = action parts I have a complete set(almost) of sample parts from most parts makers = that I simply match the best part for a   particular = application.  Myyyyy, isn't life Grand to have so many choices these days.  = Persevere Wim a solution is out there. </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>   = Finding appropriate parts isn't difficult like it used to be in yrs = past.  I'll you have to do is order them.  Each part maker I know either has = demo kits or a full size picture of their parts.</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>     One last word of caution.  The = chickering piano used very light hammers and matching them is difficult. Beside a = 6ft. 4" chickering  would benefit tonally from more hammer weight(strike = wt.) which means a shank with a different knuckle spread might be a better = choice to help carry the extra gram or so.</FONT><BR><FONT = size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial size=2>  Best</FONT><BR><FONT = size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial size=2>    Dale Erwin</FONT><BR><FONT size=3><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:Wimblees@AOL.COM">Wimblees@AOL.COM</A> <BR><B>To:</B> = <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> = <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:19 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Chickering = brass flanges<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial size=2>In a message dated = 4/7/01 3:07:22 PM Central Daylight Time, <A = href="mailto:JIMRPT@AOL.COM"><FONT size=2>JIMRPT@AOL.COM</A><FONT size=2> <BR>writes: = <BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2> <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">NO!! :-) Definitely not if it is going = to be in a recording studio. I would <BR>think that a change of flanges would = be the safest route in this instance. <BR>I <BR>don't think that one of = these thingees, with brass flanges, would have been <BR>suitable for a = recording studio even when they were brand new. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><FONT = size=2>OK, so if bar-b-queing the flanges is not recommended, then I = need to go on <BR>to the next step, which is replacing the brass flanges with = wooden ones. I am <BR>more than happy to do this. But, and this is where I = was hoping some of you <BR>could help, what size do I get? Has anyone had any = experience replacing brass <BR>with wood flanges, both the hammer and wippens. <BR><BR>Wim </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>