<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C41247.C4409000" rel=File-List> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; = mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle15 { COLOR: navy; mso-style-type: personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size: = 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in"> <DIV>Dean,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, I used thin. I think I had one from Schaff (never again - it hardened in a = couple weeks) and one from the local hobby shop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The amount used was 2 oz, but could have been more. It's been 2-3 years ago. = I put in CA until it "pooled up" at the top of the hole. After it had time to = seep in, I did another application. Then a third application from the top side.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did not use accelerator.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I did a tuning immediately after and another 1 1/2 years = later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are a handful of pins that were worse, but nearly all were loose. = However, you could make the piano sound better, though I don't know how long the = tuning lasted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blessings to you as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>John Formsma</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader>-----Original Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Dean = May Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:02 AM To: = Pianotech Subject: RE: loose loose tuning pins </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> John,<o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Some questions<o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> I presume you used thin variety that was not old.<o:p></o:p> When you say a lot, how much in oz?<o:p></o:p> What brand did you use?<o:p></o:p> Did you use accelerator?<o:p></o:p> How much time did you allow to elapse before you tried it?<o:p></o:p> Have you been back for a follow up to see if there is any improvement?<o:p></o:p> Was it only a handful of pins that continued to cause problems?<o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> I have never encountered a piano as you describe that did not show major = improvement after treatment. In fact one grand that was particularly bad in my = early days of doing this, I applied top and bottom with 4-6 oz as you describe. = The pins grew so tight you could barely turn them, but it took a few days. When = you apply a lot of glue it takes a few days for it to fully cure. <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Blessings<o:p></o:p> Dean<o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Dean May             cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   = 812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> Terre Haute IN  47802<o:p></o:p> <= SPAN class=EmailStyle15><![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of John M. = Formsma Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 = 7:35 AM To: = Pianotech Subject: RE: loose loose tuning = pins <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Julia,<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I've had a piano that did not respond to two treatments. It holds barely, but = not well enough for fine tuning. In fact, on this small grand, I had tipped the = piano upside down to apply a LOT of CA to the underside of the block. It was = disappointing to find out that when the piano was upright again it = hadn't worked, although another application from the top helped a tiny bit.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I always tell the customer that CA might not work. <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Repinning = is needed when you have loose pins, and there is enough money to pay your labor. = :-) But, always educate the customer about rebuilding and better = performance the piano will have.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> You can keep the old wire when restringing, but it's just as easy to replace = with new.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> John Formsma<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: blue = 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: = auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid blue 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in = 0in 4.0pt">-----Original = Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org = [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Alpha88x@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 = 6:50 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: loose loose tuning pins<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: = 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid blue 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Greetings.         =      How tight can CA glue make really loose tuning pins? Is = there a limitation to it's effectiveness. I would think if they are really = loose, (so loose that you can actually see a tuning hammer ride back as fast as = the sweep second hand of a watch!) that maybe 4 treatments on those pins might = do the trick, but I don't know. Any suggestions? What sanctions a repinning = job? If one does re-pin a piano must all the strings be replaced with new ones = or can you re-string the old back on? Julia Gottchall Reading, PA <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>= </HTML>