<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=#800000>Comments below:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- <DIV>From: "Keith McGavern" <<A href="mailto:kam544@gbronline.com">kam544@gbronline.com</A>></DIV> <DIV>To: "Pianotech" <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>></DIV> <DIV>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:24 AM</DIV> <DIV>Subject: Re: Billings Flanges = Brass Rail</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>> At 7:51 AM -0400 6/3/03, Farrell wrote:<BR>> >...  = If you don't explain that a new block is the correct fix, they <BR>> = >might otherwise think that tapping the pin is the best <BR>> >industry-recognized solution for a loose tuning pin.<BR>> = <BR>> Terry,<BR>> <BR>> I fail to see this reasoning that a new block is = the correct fix for <BR>> a loose tuning pin. Tapping, thin CA glue, a = type of shim, oversize <BR>> tuning pin: These are viable, recognized = industry solutions for a <BR>> loose tuning pin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000>Yes, they are viable, recognized industry = solutions for a loose tuning pin. I agree. I utilize all of these techniques. But = I will not guarantee them. I will tell the piano owner that I do not know for = sure why the old tuning pin is loose. Is it just from normal wear? Is the block = cracked? Is the block delaminating? Has the block been doped? Even if = I shim tuning pin X, I won't know for sure it will hold for years because = perhaps the block is cracked. I will happily do the repair, but I won't = guarantee that repair, and I won't come back for free if the repair fails.</FONT><BR> <BR>> As to a installing a new = block: What if in the drilling a mistake is <BR>> made on just one hole where the = tuning pin doesn't hold. Should one <BR>> discard the entire block and start = with a new one, or rather, don't <BR>> you feel one would definitely make an = attempt at utilizing first one <BR>> of the necessary repairs mentioned above = to salvage an otherwise okay <BR>> item?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000>Absolutely. But because I installed and = drilled the block, I will guarantee the block. If my shimming or CA repair of the = one or two loose pins don't hold up, I will return and attempt another fix at no = charge. But only because I put the new block in and it was my sloppy drilling = that resulted in the loose pin. That's my fault and I need to fix it. If I = can't fix it with CA or shims or whatever, then I would need to replace the block again.</FONT><BR> <BR>> >In the case of the brass rail, the = correct fix is a new rail or <BR>> >conversion to wooden flanges. Other = solutions are band-aids and <BR>> >carry no guarantee. ...<BR>> <BR>> = As to a guarantee, if a repair is done within the parameters that <BR>> befit = the situation, it's guaranteed to hold up. It's only when work <BR>> is = not performed to those standards that work might be considered <BR>> less = than satisfactory and could result in call backs. The call backs <BR>> = lead to learning for an open mind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000>Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to = disagree on that point. In some cases, such as an old piano with loose tuning pins, = CA is a very reasonable repair for the person that is trying to minimize $$ = input into the piano. But if it did not work, would you then go back for free and = try oversized tuning pins or whatever? Sometimes CA has very little effect.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000>JMHO.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <BR>> It's what piano service is.<BR>> <BR>> Keith McGavern<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> = pianotech list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org= /mailman/listinfo/pianotech</A></DIV></BODY></HTML>