<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How about if we call them Vise = grips instead of Vice grips?  There might be a difference… (Kind of = like the sign on the door reading “ladies” instead of = “laddies”.) <chuckle></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New = Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Allan</span></font></p> <p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New = Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Allan L. = Gilreath</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>, RPT</span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span = style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Ross<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September = 26, 2003 7:56 AM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Baldwin = pre-cut string</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font = size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi = Michael,</span></font></b></strong></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font = size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Mole wrenches, are called = vice grips over here.</span></font></b></strong></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font = size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards,</span></font></b></= strong></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>John M. Ross<br> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<br> <a = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</a></span= ></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = ----- </span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk" = title="michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:39 PM</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Fw: Baldwin pre-cut string</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello Glen & = Del</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This pre-cut string is a = strange idea. I thought pianos were always strung up from, as Del says, spools = of overhead string.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>But I'd like to add a = little something a-propos the kinks or bends in string. I have a policy when = tuning an old piano, and whenever it <em><i><font face=Arial><span = style='font-family: Arial'>is</span></font></i></em> possible, to use the old string by = simply loosening off its companion, straightening out the old string where it = had been on the hitch, and threading it up to the old wrest-pin and tuning up. I = find that when doing this the tonal quality stays the same and they don't = stretch like a replacement new string. You just land up with maybe two coils or = less on the two wrest-pins in question. The strings eventually straighten out = pretty well. I find using a "mole-wrench" on the hitch pin a good = idea to hold the string in place while fiddling around with the loose end. Is "mole wrench" an international term? It's an adjustable = gripping tool which can grip with incredible force if needed and is adjusted by a = knurled knob sticking out of the end of one of the handles. Good = description?  :-)</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Michael G = (UK)</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = ----- </span></font></p> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianobuilders@olynet.com" = title="pianobuilders@olynet.com">Delwin D Fandrich</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:31 PM</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Baldwin pre-cut string</span></font></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid navy = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = ----- </span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:Crashvalve@aol.com" = title="Crashvalve@aol.com">Crashvalve@aol.com</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> October 22, 2003 5:13 AM</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Baldwin pre-cut string</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = color=black face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva; color:black'>When I visited Conway in 73' they had precut and = straightened wire to string the verticals. I know a straighter wire gives truer harmonics, Question is; does zig-zag roller straightening of piano wire have any = downside like false beats etc ? If rollers are good, did Baldwin use then in two = or four planes ?<br> regards<br> Glenn C.</span></font><font face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span = style='font-family: Arial'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span = style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:navy'>Unless there is a kink in the wire, any wire stretched to = 150+ lbs of tension is going to be pretty straight. With this in mind I'm not = sure what you mean when you say "a straighter wire gives truer = harmonics." </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span = style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:navy'>Baldwin uses straightened and pre-cut wire simply as a manufacturing expediency. These wires are purchased from Mapes to = specification with each coming bundled in a package of, perhaps, a hundred or so identical wires labeled for a specific spot on a specific piano. = These are then placed in one of several tubes set up so the stringer can pull whichever specific wire is needed in sequence as stringing = progresses.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span = style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:navy'>The grand pianos are strung from standard 5-lb coils in rack = held above the piano.</span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = color=navy face="Comic Sans MS"><span = style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:navy'>Del</span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>