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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la = part de</B> Mark Wisner<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> mercredi 19 novembre = 2003 21:23<BR><B>À :</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: = In-Home Vertical Damper Replacement<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Yep.  Aliphatic (resin) glue is Titebond or yellow = carpenters glue.  I'll let someone else answer your question about cold hide = glue as I have very little experience with it.  </DIV> <DIV><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Farrell <MFARREL2@TAMPABAY.RR.COM><BR>Sent: Nov 19, 2003 12:05 PM <BR>To: = Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: In-Home Vertical Damper = Replacement <BR><BR></DIV><XHTML><XHEAD><XMETA http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><XMETA content="MSHTML = 6.00.2800.1264" name="GENERATOR"> <STYLE></STYLE> <XBODY> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000>Thanks for the responses - a = few comments questions belwo:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Mark Wisner" <</FONT><A href="mailto:mwisner@earthlink.net"><FONT face=Arial size=2>mwisner@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> I'd remove the damper felts in = the shop then glue on the new felt with the action installed using the damper = springs as clamps.  A small squeeze bottle of aliphatic glue should keep = things tidy.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Yup, = felt off in shop, in in home using springs as clamps and strings for alignment. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800000 size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800000 size=3>I know = I should know these technical terms, but I have all sorts of glues in my shop, but = which one is aliphatic glue? Tightbond-type stuff? </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800000 size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Would = there be any disadvantage to using cold hide glue?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Conrad Hoffsommer" = <</FONT><A href="mailto:hoffsoco@martin.luther.edu"><FONT face=Arial size=2>hoffsoco@martin.luther.edu</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> If the action is in = your shop _NOW_,    why are you going to do the dampers <BR>> = in the home???</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR><FONT color=#800000 = size=3>See above - I thought that was the <EM>only</EM> way to do = it!</FONT> <FONT color=#800000 size=3>Especially in this case because the dampers = are currently regulated very nicely - if I glue in the piano, I shouldn't have to = even touch the damper regulation.</FONT><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Ron Koval" <</FONT><A href="mailto:drwoodwind@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2>drwoodwind@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Hi Terry,<BR>> <BR>> I = don't know about the best, but this might help you out.  First, did you = <BR>> already get the pr-cut dampers?  Wasn't that you asking about = that a few <BR>> weeks ago?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Yup, = got 'em. Thanks Phil Bondi!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>> First, leave the hot glue in the shop, where it = belongs.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Yup, don't have to twist my arm = for that one!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> Get some Weldbond <BR>> white glue (I think it's PVA) in = a small enough bottle to control, or some <BR>> better method if you are sloppy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Same question. Is that Tightbond = type stuff? Is there something about "Weldbond" that  makes it better than = Tightbond or cold hide glue? I keep asking about cold hide glue because this = lady will never die (she's German and is a "gooood strrrong vooman"), her piano = will still look like new 40 years from now, and, if I am still alive, I = just know I will be replacing dampers again on this piano in 40 = years!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> It doesn't take much to keep a felt on. <BR>> (less is = better) You will be using the strings to provide the clamping and <BR>> = alignment, so bend your wires before you begin, if needed.  Put a little = <BR>> glue on the felt, then use a good long hemostat to slide the damper = felt <BR>> down the string to the waiting damper block that you have = pulled back from <BR>> the string.  Align, release, go to the next.  = </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Yes, that is how I have done it in = the shop.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> Call for your shoulder/neck <BR>> massage before you go = on the call, it's not the most comfortable job.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=3>Ahhh, excellent = advice!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>  (but <BR>> then, is tuning?)  It sets up = pretty quickly, so you can go ahead and start <BR>> with the rest of your = work when you finish.<BR>> <BR>> Ron Koval<BR>> = Chicagoland</FONT></DIV><PRE> Mark Wisner National Service Manager Pearl River Piano Group America 800 435 5086 ext 111</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>