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<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>The temp strip in the PTG testing is used=
for convenience since we are tuning only one string per=
unison for the first 2 parts of the test. PTG is certainly=
not endorsing temp strips. I think a temp strip is=
fine as long as you're not making a pitch change of=
more than a few cents. If you are using a temp strip=
and learning to tune by ear, go for it. Also take=
everything you read on the List with a grain of=
salt...;-] "quirky saying, wonder where that comes=
from?"<BR><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR><BR><BR>
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Original message<BR>From: Bob Sutton=
<BSUTTON@WHITESERV.COM><BR>To: Pianotech=
<PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:11:06=
-0500<BR>Subject: Re: Using a strip wedge. Was: Moving from=
Uprights to Grands<BR><BR>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael, are you saying=
that you and the profession in England are correct and the PTG=
and all of the people who have passed the RPT tests are wrong=
because they use a temperament strip? I am new to this=
business, but this kind of information is contrary to everything=
I have read in all of the PTG publications. It is very=
confusing to say the least. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob Sutton</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>League City, TX</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:=
black"><B>From:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk=
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A>=
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=
title=avery1@houston.rr.com=
href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery Todd</A> ; <A=
title=pianotech@ptg.org=
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 22, 2005=
12:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using a strip=
wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to Grands</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe and maybe not, Avery.. BUT...=
it does lay credence to the lack of tuners coming into the field=
who <EM>can</EM> actually <EM>tune</EM> - however they set about=
it. I believe there's also a faculty of tuning at Newark,=
UK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW I tune the unisons "as I=
go"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards from a sunny early morning=
on the Downs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B> <A title=avery1@houston.rr.com=
href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery Todd</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=
title=pianotech@ptg.org=
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 22, 2005=
12:59 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Moving from=
Uprights to Grands</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>At 10:22 AM 7/21/05, you wrote:<BR><BR>Michael,=
IMO, that has nothing at all to do with the fact that he used a=
temp. strip! <BR><BR>Avery <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">He used a felt strip=
and I cringed - yes... <I>cringed.... </I>as he poked the felt=
between the strings to lay the bearings. I am very glad ears=
were invented :-) Incidentally when he got to the top all h*ll=
broke loose. He - had - no - idea... how to get the top strings=
right - and that was after a three year course..... How=
<I>do</I> those postal courses work if there's no-one to monitor=
your results? I'm baffled. Yes... <I>baffled. ;-)</I><BR>Regards=
from a beautiful, hot, sunny day in Sussex where there's a=
"Hosepipe Ban!" now in force. Our reservoirs are running=
low.<BR>Michael G.(UK) (<I>baffled)<BR></I>
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<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From:</B> <A=
href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> <BR>
<DD>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A>=
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<DD>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:23 PM<BR>
<DD>Subject:</B> Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands<BR><BR>
<DD>"It has always been looked down upon in the profession here=
if a tuner still has to use a temperament strip..."<BR>
<DD><BR>
<DD>What kind of an environment is it where other piano=
technicians watch what another piano technician does during a=
tuning? I don't think any tech has ever watched me tune a piano,=
and only once have I watched someone else tune a piano.<BR>
<DD><BR>
<DD>Oh, maybe another tech saw me tune years ago when I was doing=
some floor tunings at a dealer.<BR>
<DD><BR>
<DD>Terry Farrell<BR>
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<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From:</B> <A=
href="mailto:Byeway222@aol.com">Byeway222@aol.com</A> <BR>
<DD><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>The whole business of=
strip muting for either the temperament octave or even into the=
further reaches of the piano has alway been controversial here=
in UK. Probably like Michael I was trained very=
traditionally, to discard the strip mute quite early on and rely=
on one's ear for laying the temperament with just two=
wedges. It has always been looked down upon in the=
profession here if a tuner still has to use a temperament strip,=
almost suggesting that his/her ear is not reliable enough to do=
without it. The analogy being a baby's walking frame I=
suppose! Because of this early influence I can=
actually feel 'ashamed' if I resort to using a strip or=
rubber gang mute on a difficult piano. Do i need=
psychoanalysis? However, I could actually argue pretty=
stongly in favour of using them with very small grands and=
uprights where inharmonicity is so pronounced that setting an=
acceptable temperament can take more than one pass, and using=
this aid would be quicker. When this topic comes under=
discussion over here it is generally argued that the temperament=
is not exactly the same when you return to complete the unisons=
and that the whole excercise can be more time consuming.<BR>
<DD>It would be interesting to know what proportion of tuners is=
'mute free'<BR>
<DD>Ric<BR></FONT><FONT face="Arial,=
Helvetica"></FONT></DD></DL></DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>=
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