<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1505" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C5E86C.406E2740" rel=File-List><LINK href="cid:editdata.mso" rel=Edit-Time-Data><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US id=role_body style="tab-interval: .5in" = bottomMargin=7 vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 = topMargin=7 rightMargin=7> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Brian,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Only if you want to have hammers that = you can pick up with a magnet <O:(</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=doepkeb@comcast.net = href="mailto:doepkeb@comcast.net">Brian Doepke</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 13, 2005 = 2:06 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: JIV-jumping into voicing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for = all the input, and even the spin-off discussions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have = found much information on my cd’s of 20 years of the PTG Journal. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But, another question…when = a needle, or group of 3 needles, is inserted into the hammer felt, is there any = additional moving of the needles; like a slight rocking motion or wiggling = motion? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Or, is the procedure to just = insert and pullout on the same trajectory?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT face=Jester color=navy = size=5><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Jester; = mso-no-proof: yes">Brian P. Doepke</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: = yes"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-no-proof: yes">AAA Piano<st1:PersonName = w:st="on">Work</st1:PersonName>s</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-no-proof: yes">260-432-2043</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-no-proof: yes">260-417-1298</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" = align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Erwinspiano@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, November 13, 2005 = 11:48 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: JIV-jumping into voicing</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> Ric</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">  = Good answer. I second this & add don't let fear stand in your way it's really = quite difficult to destroy a set of either kinds of hammers, well... unless = your just a blithering Dolt . </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial = color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">   That said the goal is for an improved tone even if , in your own ears, it's = not perfect. People/clients who really have ears to hear will except any improvement as a pleasure in the right direction. Truth be told there = are sooo many lousy sounding pianos in the field because no one is asking the = questions you are or at least not bothering to stab a few needles etc to risk = for something possibly great!</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial = color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> How = I wish the bad habit of tune & run to the next tuning could be remedied.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> It's = not real customer service IMHO.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">  I = think I just changed the topic. Oh My!</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial = color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">  = Dale Erwin</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; = PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt solid; = PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Hi Brian<BR><BR>The answer to your question is really a lot more = involved then what a <BR>simple reply from folks here can give you.  Much = depends on what kind of <BR>approach you are going to use, and what kind of = hammer you have to work <BR>with.  For example, the one needle vs three = needle question often boils <BR>down to either what phase of voicing you = are in or whether or not you <BR>are fine voicing lacquered hammers or not. = How deep, where, and when to <BR>needle depends on what you are trying to = accomplish, and again on what <BR>kind of hammer you are dealing with.  A = hammer soaked in lacqure will <BR>have no real benifit from deep shoulder = needling as a general rule, but <BR>a hammer that needs needling down = requires such treatment.  A full <BR>treatise is a bit beyond a one post answer.  My best advice is to read <BR>through the archives and = join your local ptg chapter, attend meetings <BR>and find a voicing = teacher who can help you get started.  And, as Phil <BR>pointed = out...  dont hesitate to try your hand after reading.  In the <BR>end = voicing is learned by doing more then anything = else.<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>RicB<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DI= V> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY= ></HTML>