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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial =
id="role_document"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well I meant =
that more as
a question than a statement. <span =
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>One
thing that does interest me is how CC <span class=SpellE>vs</span> =
RC&amp;S
methods influence, either in design or execution, the relationship =
between mass
and spring rate and how that might relate to proper hammer =
matching.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Which system<span =
class=GramE>, <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>for</span> example, tends to =
have a
thicker panel?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It seems =
that the CC
panel is generally thicker in the center and tapered toward the rim =
whereas the
RC&amp;S panel is slightly thinner and more uniform in thickness (except =
maybe
around the bass perimeter). <span =
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>Is that
correct?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Might not the =
difference
in mass distribution of the CC panel explain differences in hammer =
matching and
potentially some tonal differences? <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>It seems that the CC panel =
requires a
much denser and possibly less flexible hammer than the RC&amp;S board =
(at least
in my experience).<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Whether =
the tone
production potential between the two with appropriate hammers is =
net/net, is something
I can&#8217;t really answer but do wonder about.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>The subject might point to some
differences.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>David Love<br>
</span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=2 color=navy><span =
style='font-size:
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10.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>davidlovepianos@comcast.net</span></f=
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span =
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b></span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
 =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Erwinspiano@aol.com</span><=
/font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
17, 2005
7:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: More CC vs =
RC
questions was RE: Killer Octave &amp; Pitch Raise</span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a
message dated 2/16/2005 12:19:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
davidlovepianos@comcast.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>effect
of softer hammer, softer panel, might produce a tone that while<br>
having adequate power (loudness) might not have the balance of =
partials<br>
to make the tone interesting, lively, expressive, you choose your<br>
favorite word<u>.&nbsp; So control of the panel's EMC, while seemingly =
not as<br>
critical for purposes of achieving stiffness in the assembly =
overall,<br>
might still be very critical in order to achieve a certain tonal<br>
</u>balance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-family:Arial;
color:black'>David</span></font><font size=2 color=black =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;
I think this is possible &amp; is my thinking.&nbsp;When panel
compression&nbsp; exsists some dynamic tension between the rib being =
bent up a
bit by the panel compression &amp; the rib wanting to pull it back down
creates&nbsp;continual static &amp; dynamic&nbsp;reactive =
force.&nbsp;Perhaps
some of this&nbsp;is healthy &amp; building boards&nbsp; attempring to =
shape
&amp; mold certain characterisitcs is very =
interesting.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;I've
been logging all the data per given board to keep track of the design
parameters &amp; then draw a conclusion&nbsp;based on the sound I get. =
Ie
original rib width,height,length. New rib crown width ,new length, Panel
thickness , tapering ,where &amp; how much. =
Rib&nbsp;tapering&nbsp;etc.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 =
color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;I
installed the Mason board with cut-off, fish and altered rib heights =
&amp;
widths,&nbsp;weds. &amp; when the clamp came off in the morning =
&amp;&nbsp;it
already had a very healthy &amp; vibrant boom/rap even though the tight =
bond
surely isn't thoroughly cured. This is not usually the case. =
</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;
Dale</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=black
face=Arial><span =
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