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face=Arial color=#0000ff>that is funny because all comments when I =
read
them lend to the same result more or less, but with different
methods</FONT> <FONT face=Arial
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face=Arial color=#0000ff>I just wanted to say that deep needling at =
9h30 10:30 ,
if overdone, kills too much of the "bottom power" of the hammer, and =
when it
have been done (as you say) yet, better leave those regions untouched if =
unsure
of what we do. Usually in those German factory they voice all the =
necessary
stitches in the shoulders (when the voicer is not too tired !) and the =
basic
preparation of the hammer have been well =
done.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
class=316183708-06032004>However, may be they produce something =
adapted to the
American taste and use the Renner blue hammer for that reason, I =
believe
you should have less density in the tone with those hammers, as less of =
the
lower felt regions an be employed to power the tone. But I just =
have seen
a few samples of renner blue line hammers.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=316183708-06032004>Roger comments on the duplex treatment is =
first class
!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
class=316183708-06032004>I'll add that working with 3 needles and =
more
force mean more result , so less needling (but more sore on the arms =
often
!)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2><SPAN
class=316183708-06032004>ZIngling = mating + power check & boost =
is
indeed the first reflex, that is the way old Steinway are tweaked so to =
get rid
of all capo noises.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=316183708-06032004>Best to all.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=316183708-06032004>Isaac OLEG</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>After creating some =
resilience by deep
needling in the 9:30 - 10:30 and 1:30 - 2:30 shoulder of the hammer =
(this may
have already been done), to eliminate noise in the capo section, deep =
needle
from 10:30 - 11:30 and from 12:30 to 1:30. Aim for a point where =
the
felt joins the moulding on each side of the hammer. That will =
put the
needle parallel to the moulding at the 11:30 and 12:30 position and =
angled
slightly in toward the moulding as you move away from the strike
point. Stay away from and don't stitch under the =
crown. Use
a single needle and insert it to it's full length, 8 mm's or so. =
Be sure
that the hammer has a good shape and is not flattened on the =
top. Do not
mute the duplex, it will kill the tone too much. Don't =
voice this
section in isolation. Check back and forth against the tenor =
section to
keep the piano balanced.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>David Love</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Piannaman@aol.com =
href="mailto:Piannaman@aol.com"></A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 3/5/2004 8:21:59 PM =
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Seiler 180 voicing, =
frontscale
noise questions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT =
size=2
PTSIZE="10">Liszt, <BR><BR>I have a job coming up where I'll be =
working on a
Seiler 180(5 10" grand). I'll be at it all day, easing, =
lubing,
regulating, tuning, and voicing. These are really well-built =
German
pianos, with Renner blue hammers, and full Renner actions, etc., =
etc.
<BR><BR>I'm sure someone on this list has experience with these =
pianos.
I've worked on quite a few, but not to this extent. I've =
tuned
many, and done minor regulations on several, but have never voiced =
one.
I'm actually surprised that nobody has asked me to voice =
because
there are some really harsh overtones that emanate from the piano =
above the
treble break. I've muted some in the past by lacing felt =
through the
strings and wedging it under the capo bar, with some success. =
The
customer knows about this method, but would prefer it voiced down, =
or so he
says. <BR><BR>My main concern in th! is whole deal is that I've seen =
the
results of a tech trying to "voice down" that section on a different =
piano.
The hammers are ruined. They look like pin cushions, and =
sound
like them too. <BR><BR>Can anyone offer advice on the voicing of =
these
instruments? M. Orobeek?? Anyone?? <BR><BR>I've =
got a
call in to the Seiler rep. I'm certain he's heard this =
complaint
before. I'm curious what the company has to offer in terms of =
a fix.
<BR><BR>Thanks in advance for any and all input, <BR><BR>Dave =
Stahl</FONT>
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