<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type = content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>HI John,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I need to practice more with felting I = guess.  Using one mute and doing the unison thing worked for me but I was tired of = jumping all over the piano, not literaly, :)  My headache is with the trebble = in verticals as well.  I tune the right string as I pull the cloth = out, then I go back and do the left string without anything muted since the right = and center are already done.  I treid a papis mute, but it won't stay put. In = fact, I need to take the knee board off my wife's piano to retreive it.  = Hammers always get in the way.  Grands are a little harder for me to mute = because I have to lean over the thing and get a back cramp, but I like the idea of = playing a note to feel the vibration.  I don't bother with the bichord or = notes with strip mutes.  I just use the left string for tuning and the = right for the unison.  Once in a while a unison will go out on me, but I can = correct it pretty quickly. I have a tuning on a spinit tomorrow. I hope I can = speed this up and get in and out and do a qulaity job of course.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=john@formsmapiano.com = href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com">John Formsma</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 12, 2006 = 6:27 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = Upgrading.....</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=-1><FONT face=Verdana>Don,<BR><BR>I've = found it to be the opposite. Strip muting is faster for me, but not so much so in = grands. It only takes a minute or two to strip mute a piano, and that includes = getting them from the case. One of the inherent problems with a strip is that = the muting is sometimes less effective, although one can learn to listen = around that.<BR><BR>I find strip muting particularly faster in verticals = where getting the mute(s) behind the treble damper felts takes a lot of = time. The mutes are forever in the way of the hammer in that section unless you = get them below the top of the dampers - out of the hammer's way. The Papps mute = works all right, but I generally use a strip mute in verticals.<BR><BR>If = using the strip, you can tune unisons as you go, just like with rubber mutes. I = do it all the time.<BR><BR>I use action cloth strips. Perhaps a different = type felt is more difficult. But I don't see how it would make a 20-40 minute = difference to simply put strips of felt in between strings. Or did I = misunderstand you?<BR><BR>John Formsma<BR></FONT></FONT><BR>Don wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid3.0.6.32.20060212143905.015798f0@accesscomm.ca type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Hi Marshall, Strip muting the entire piano takes longer than using just two mutes outside of the temperament area. Even faster than two mutes is a single "split mute" or "double mute". This will also contribute to stability as unisons are done "as you go". The total saving in time per tuning = amounts to between 20 and 40 minutes. If one must strip mute--use two strips and alternate between them. The problem with the gang mute is getting *all* those fingers in the = right places--far more problematic than a temperament strip. At 12:36 PM 2/12/2006 -0500, you wrote: </PRE> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">HI DOn, Are those little gang mutes a time waster? I'm trying to think of ways = to speed up. One that works well for me is this. When I"m finished with = the center strings, I start at the trebble and pull the temp strip out and = do the right stinrg. Then I either go back up or start at the end and do = the left string. I notice after I tune a piano the trebble sounds brilliant = with a nice ring to it. I think that's pretty cool actually starting = out. Marshall </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""> Regards, Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext = href="mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com">mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com</A> <A = class=moz-txt-link-freetext = href="http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/">http://us.geocities.com/drpt19= 48/</A> 3004 Grant Rd. 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