<HTML>In a message dated 10/18/2001 10:59:24 AM Central Daylight Time, jonpage2001@mediaone.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated 10/18/2001 10:07:12 AM Central Daylight Time, mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes, and perhaps you will find yourself "praying" that two people other than yourself will be lifting it back up! Especially the old uprights, they can sure get pretty heavy - a good tilter really pays its way here! Terry Farrell </BLOCKQUOTE> Terry and list, just a warning here, tilters are advertised suggesting one person can safely tilt an upright.  Under most circumstances this is true, but in the case of hardwood, tile, cement or any other hard slick floors the piano can run off the tilter and shoot the tilter out from under the piano at high speed presenting a extremely dangerous situation.  Here in our shop we have had two broken legs over the years from this very situation.  We do not allow any of our men to tilt an upright by themselves.  Please be careful! David Koelzer DFW </BLOCKQUOTE> Securing the tilter to the piano will prevent it from sliding away when the rear casters come in contact with the floor upon righting. Prior to tilting, strap the tilter tightly to the beams. Accompanying each new tilter is a clamp for this purpose (or there used to be). Generally, people do not see the need and discarded them or stick them away and forgot about them. I still have mine but prefer to strap if there is a danger of the casters rolling. Regards, Jon Page,   piano technician Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass. <A HREF="mailto:jonpage2001@mediaone.net">mailto:jonpage2001@mediaone.net</A> <A HREF="http://www.stanwoodpiano.com/">http://www.stanwoodpiano.com/</A> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ </BLOCKQUOTE> Great point Jon, but let me say that both times our people got hurt they had used the included clamp, perhaps not correctly.  There is a great deal of force and leverage at work here when tilting a piano a great deal of care must be taken. David Koelzer DFW</HTML>