<HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v == "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o == "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w == "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;= charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Generator> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK= href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4C81D.99069A10" rel=File-List> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=blue link=blue= bgColor=white> <DIV class=Section1> <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>I never overpull except for the= little roll towards the right on my SATIII.  Up= to A440 then I do it again...   David I. <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>  <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2>----- Original= message ----------------------------------------> From:= Dean May <<A= href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">deanmay@pianorebuilder= s.com</A>> To: Pianotech <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Rec= eived: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:38:12 -0500 Subject: RE: A-440 and= Ethics. <FONT= face=Arial color=#993366 size=2> Of a semi= tone, or half step<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Dean<FONT= face="Bradley Hand ITC" color=#993366 size=6><SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 22pt; COLOR: #993366;= FONT-FAMILY: 'Bradley Hand ITC'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;= mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p> Dean= May      <SPAN= style="mso-spacerun:= yes">       cell= 812.239.3359<SPAN= style="COLOR: #993366; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272<FONT= color=#993366><o:p></o:p> Terre Haute= IN = 47802<SPAN= style="COLOR: #993366; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> -----Original Message----- <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:= pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Farrell <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Thursday, November= 11, 2004 5:13 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: A-440 and= Ethics.  <o:p></o:p> "often bringing it 40-50% overpull. I used= to bring it up to 100% overpull" <FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> 40-50% of what?<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p>  <SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> Terry Farrell<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM:= medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----= Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt;= BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM:= medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:= auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt:= 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;= FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <DIV style="font-color: black">From:<FONT= face=Arial color=black size=2> <A= title=deanmay@pianorebuilders.com= href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">Dean May</A>= </DIV><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;= FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A>= <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;= FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:22= PM<SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;= mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black;= FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: A-440 and Ethics.<FONT= face=Arial color=black size=2><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt">I�ve done hundreds in the last 25= years, never cracked a plate, often bringing it 40-50% overpull.= I used to bring it up to 100% overpull before RCT. I never bring= up center strings first, then left strings, then right strings.= I always start at one end and tune all strings as I go up.= <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt">I�ve often heard about the �danger�= of crack plates by unbalanced tension. I dunno, maybe it can= happen. But I�ve never encountered it in pitch raises or in chip= tunings on restringing jobs.= <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt">Dean<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Dean May<SPAN= style="mso-spacerun:= yes">         &nbsp= ;   cell 812.239.3359<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">PianoRebuilders.com<SPAN= style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = 812.235.5272<SPAN= style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:= windowtext"><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoAutoSig style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Terre Haute IN<SPAN= style="mso-spacerun: yes">  47802<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM:= medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:= Tahoma">-----Original Message----- <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:= pianotech-bounces@ptg.org= [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of David Ilvedson <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Thursday, November= 11, 2004 12:08 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: A-440 and= Ethics.<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none;= PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium= none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none;= mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in= 0in 4.0pt"><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <P style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:= 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid= black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT= face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Julia,<FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <P style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:= 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid= black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT= face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Why don't we ask the List= if anyone has had a plate crack during a pitch= raise.   I've been working on pianos for 30 years and= it has never happened to me.   <FONT= color=black><o:p></o:p> <P style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:= 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid= black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT= face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">David= I.<o:p></o:p> <P style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:= 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid= black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT= face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"= PTSIZE="10"> <o:p></o:p> <P style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:= 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid= black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT= face=Arial color=black size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"= PTSIZE="10">----- Original message= ----------------------------------------> From: <<A= href="mailto:Alpha88x@aol.com">Alpha88x@aol.com</A>> To:= <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Rec= eived: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:18:18 EST Subject: Re: A-440 and= Ethics.<o:p></o:p> <P style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in;= BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in;= MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP:= 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid= black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT= face=Arial color=black size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"= PTSIZE="10"> Greetings,=          &n= bsp;  Usually, when I get a tuning call, it is a piano which= hasn't been kept up the tunings on. I always ask how long since= it was last tuned. They usually don't know.. especially if they= have taken in an "orphan"= piano.         &n= bsp;    I do not like to raise the A4 pitch on any= piano more than say 1/4 a tone or so, if it's been neglectd= tunings. This is because I don't want to run the risk of= cracking anyone's harp plate, let alone breaking strings.= Especially on the little spinets, whose plates are 5/8" or less= thick.         &n= bsp;     When I get to the house, I check the= A-440 and it's octaves and get an idea of the overall tone of= the piano; whrere it went flat the most. I always explain the= concept of A-440 to the customer, and more times than not, it= doesnt matter to them if its up to A-440 or not.=          &n= bsp; They just would like it in tune with itself. I also explain= that pianos are designed to be tuned to A-440 for best results.= (unless it is an extremely old, dry upright that's seen better= days and wont let you even gradually take it up that far, even= with subsequent tunings/loose pins or bridges coming off) I tune= it the best I can get it, to sound at the A-4?? and suggest= subsequent tunings so we can gradually get it there. They agree= to a reminder card from me for follow ups ....say, 4 to 6 mo for= the first follow-up. I also inform them that with each tuning= the piano becomes more stable and to never let a piano go more= than 2 years= max.         &nbs= p; On hearing these pianos, they are so, so neglected and out of= tune, the piano always sounds better upon my departure, and= thats all alot of folks want in order to start the kid's= lessons, without paying "an arm and a leg".  With customers= who are more vigilant of how their piano sounds is another= matter.         &= nbsp; My tuning teacher used to say "As long as it sounds a lot= better when you leave than from when you arrived".= Julia, Reading, PA= <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV></BODY></HT= ML>