<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1505" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael, are you saying that you and = the profession in England are correct and the PTG and all of the people who have passed = the RPT tests are wrong because they use a temperament strip?  I am new to = this business, but this kind of information is contrary to everything I have = read in all of the PTG publications.  It is very confusing to say the = least.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob Sutton</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>League City, TX</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original MMicahessage ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=avery1@houston.rr.com href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery Todd</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 22, 2005 = 12:55 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Using a strip = wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to Grands</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe and maybe not, Avery.. BUT... = it does lay credence to the lack of tuners coming into the field who <EM>can</EM> = actually <EM>tune</EM> - however they set about it. I believe there's also a = faculty of tuning at Newark, UK.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW I tune the unisons "as I = go"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards from a sunny early morning on = the Downs</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=avery1@houston.rr.com = href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery Todd</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 22, 2005 = 12:59 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Moving from = Uprights to Grands</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>At 10:22 AM 7/21/05, you wrote:<BR><BR>Michael, IMO, = that has nothing at all to do with the fact that he used a temp. strip! = <BR><BR>Avery <BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">He used a felt = strip and I cringed - yes... <I>cringed.... </I>as he poked the felt between = the strings to lay the bearings. I am very glad ears were invented :-) = Incidentally when he got to the top all h*ll broke loose. He - had = - no - idea... how to get the top strings right - and that was after a = three year course..... How <I>do</I> those postal courses work if there's = no-one to monitor your results? I'm baffled. Yes... <I>baffled. = ;-)</I><BR>Regards from a beautiful, hot, sunny day in Sussex where there's a = "Hosepipe Ban!" now in force. Our reservoirs are running low.<BR>Michael G.(UK) (<I>baffled)<BR></I> <DL> <DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR> <DD>From:</B> <A = href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> <BR> <DD>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> = <BR> <DD>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:23 PM<BR> <DD>Subject:</B> Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands<BR><BR> <DD>"It has always been looked down upon in the profession here = if a tuner still has to use a temperament strip..."<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>What kind of an environment is it where other piano = technicians watch what another piano technician does during a tuning? I = don't think any tech has ever watched me tune a piano, and only once have I = watched someone else tune a piano.<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Oh, maybe another tech saw me tune years ago when I was = doing some floor tunings at a dealer.<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Terry Farrell<BR> <DL> <DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR> <DD>From:</B> <A = href="mailto:Byeway222@aol.com">Byeway222@aol.com</A> <BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>The whole = business of strip muting for either the temperament octave or even into the = further reaches of the piano has alway been controversial here in = UK.  Probably like Michael I was trained very traditionally, to = discard the strip mute quite early on and rely on one's ear for laying the = temperament with just two wedges.  It has always been = looked down upon in the profession here if a tuner still has to use a = temperament strip, almost suggesting that his/her ear is not reliable = enough to do without it.  The analogy being a baby's walking frame I suppose!   Because  of this early influence I = can actually feel 'ashamed' if I resort to using  a strip or = rubber gang mute on a difficult piano. Do i need = psychoanalysis?  However, I could actually argue pretty stongly in favour of = using them with very small grands and uprights where inharmonicity is so pronounced that setting an acceptable temperament can take = more than one pass, and using this aid would be quicker.  When this = topic comes under discussion over here it is generally argued that = the temperament is not exactly the same when you return to = complete the unisons and that the whole excercise can be more time = consuming.<BR> <DD>It would be interesting to know what proportion of tuners = is 'mute free'<BR> <DD>Ric<BR></FONT><FONT face="Arial, = Helvetica"></FONT></DD></DL></DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> <P></P>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.<BR>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/54 - Release = Date: 7/21/2005<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>