<html> <body> Andre, Most of us really appreciate your efforts in this regard. As far as who can sense what, it sort of reminds me of doing a good regulation on a piano and the pianist compliments me on the voicing I did! When I did NO voicing.Or I do a good voicing and they compliment me on the way the piano feels! I've learned since I've been at the university that a pianist's perceptions on what has been done to his/her instrument is amazingly dependent on how the instrument responds. Which affects the way it's played. Which affects the tone he/she hears! JMHO! And I won't change it, either! :-) It's been proven to me too many times with the many artists I have to deal with here! Avery P.S. I will be ordering some of those punchings when they're available here1 :-) At 11:27 AM 4/4/05, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On 4-apr-05, at 9:28, Richard Moody wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> Then how else would you explain the improvemnt of touch and tone?       I didn’t hear any improvement in tone much less touch.   I would like to see this demonstrated.  Lets sit together in the audience and you tell me which notes have the special punching that I put in but you don’t know where.   Or you play that piano and tell me which notes have the special punching.  Until then, this is another bogus hype  to sell something that has no special merit.   But if I am proven wrong I will give $100 to your favorite charity. ---ric   </blockquote> Well Richard Moody, then read the mail Stephen Birket just sent to the list. (Dr Stephen Birkett, Associate Professor Department of Systems Design Engineering University of Waterloo, Waterloo ON Canada N2L 3G1 Director, Waterloo Piano Systems Group Associate Member, Piano Technician's Guild) He is quite enthusiastic about the Wurzen punching and his investigations prove what I have said all along. I will not any longer take part of the discussion because I have done my work. I have brought these things into life and into the world. What you guys want to do with it is your own business. I speak for myself only when I say that I am extremely happy with my punchings and I know perfectly well what I am saying. In an earlier e-mail to the list, I have said that : quote I think that I may say here that it should be clear, after all my contributions to this list, that I am not a bs'er , a fraud, or a fake story teller. These front punchings make all the difference in regard to how a piano feels and sounds and they have actually changed and enriched my concepts of 'the making of tone'. It has however become clear that, in order to get a distinguishable result from these punchings, the instrument has to meet certain conditions unquote If you nevertheless choose to call it "another bogus" then I feel sorry I spent so much time on apparently nothing(?) Thank you very much. André Oorebeek </blockquote></x-html> </blockquote></body> </html>