<html> <body> Joe, Can you please explain what you mean by that "Groove?" I have not heard anything about a "new" Renner center pin, and an interested in what you have found. Based on what I read in your other message, this sounds like a production screw up in the pin making, and it seems you should contact Renner USA and ask about it. Don Mannino RPT At 06:13 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""> All, Now that I've finished Re-Pinning 1/2 of a new set of shanks, I think I see why so many needed to be done. That new Center Pin's "groove" peals bushing cloth like you can't believe. So....when they initially pinned it, I suspect they did it to the olde specs. The "groove" rips out some bushing cloth and makes all the flanges @least 1 gram looser! Yikes! Seems to be an Edsel idea, IMO! Closely akin to teflon bushings. Sheesh! The one thing, in a piano, that is time tested and works just fine, IMO, gets the most R&D. What the heck's that all about?.......end of rant! (Well maybe not! I just hate re-pinning NEW parts! grrrr!) Phew! Now I'm done. (for now.<G>) Feel a bit better.<G> Best Regards, Joe Garrett, R.P.T. Captain, Tool Police Squares R I</blockquote></body> </html>