<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body style="COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: "> I think I know what you are trying to describe here Joe. And if I understand you correctly then you are correct in stateing it's not really falsness in the sense of a false beat. In anycase, there are several kinds of falsness we have to deal with that are not beats in any sense of the word. You can try several things to attempt and locate the source of the problem.  If the string shares a hitchpin with one of its neigbors, then loosen it and tighten the neighbor so that a short segment moves around the hitchpin. This will put new string segments on the termination points, and can change the way the string sounds. You can loosen the string and pull it off the bridge so as to drip a small bit of CA glue into the bridge pin holes. This usually is a <<cure>> for false beating, but can have a positive affect on any falsness relating to the bridge pin / bridge / string interface. Nicks in the bridge pin itself can cause various types of falsness... a twist of the offending pin can sometimes help. If there's a capo bar in this picture, or a pressure bar type counterbearing top termination (upright)... you can loosen the string and push it aside and reshape or clean up the termination point.  You can also simply replace the string and see if that helps. It can even end up being something you can address from a strictly tuning perspective.... adjusting the vowel as it were. Theres lots of other tricks to try, voiceing out,  changing a hammer center pin .... sometimes you solve the problem without haveing a clue as to what you really did...:)  Sometimes no matter what you do,nothing seems to help. If it's  really annoying, I'd start by changing the string, and check all the termination points while the string is off. Make sure the customer knows that it may be beyond the realm of what technicians can do to <<fix>> the situation... but that a few things can be tried out. Cheers RicB Joey Recker wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="4068577561"></LABEL>Tuned a piano at a church in Plains last week.  I was extremely satisfied with the results (they turn the HVAC off all week and it hadn't been tuned in a week). Tonight after church the pianist mentioned to me how much better it sounded, but commented that one note sounded "funny". Initially, I didn't hear the problem...  (I think because the strings are definately in tune and I was listening for beats).  But after a few moments I detected what she is talking about.  When you first hit the key, it quickly goes "eee-ahhh".  Every other note just says "ahh" (yeah, I know this sounds stupid, but I can't think of any other way to describe it).  It happens very quickly and is almost undetectable, but SHE noticed it, so it is now important to me.  It's like the note has two syllables instead of just one pure syllable.It quickly gets to the ahhh... and there are no further beats in the tone when played by itself or when checking octaves so I don't think it's what we would normally call a false beat. Sorry if this doesn't explain things properly...  but does anyone have any suggestions of things I should check?  I don't know where to start.ThanksJoey</blockquote> -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. UiB, Bergen, Norway <A HREF="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</A> <A HREF="http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html">http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html</A> <A HREF="http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html">http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html</A>   </body> </html>