<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">   "Kevin E. Ramsey" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>     OK, Bill. You'll have to give a dummy like me a clue. Temperaments are one thing. Octave stretch is another. Jim Sr. said that you had done "something" to your octaves, and that he liked it. What did you do? I have found that the amount of stretch is a matter of taste; what sounds pleasing to one tuner sounds noisy to another. So in the interest of continuing education ( that holiest of grails which we are always on a crusade for) clue me in. Please? </blockquote> Hi Kevin... try this little thingy that I wrote in my last posting on this thread, and if / as you get a handle on it see if you can start making use of it within the perspectives of tuning octaves. I've been on this track for a couple two, three months now and it still feels like I'm sniff'en around...but definatly on a strong scent. Actually I am having a gas with it all ..   >Take two strings of a unison... tune it out so that there is a couple beats per second >going... then very slowly pull it close to clean... and listen real close to whats going on as it gets >past any discernable beating. To my ear... the first thing that happens is that you get to this really >slow kind of "meeeeoooowwwww "   point. Not really a beat there the "meow" is way to slow >can stretch over a few seconds.... then past that there is a spot where you  get what seems to me >like a "beat"that happens only once and isnt there afterwards.. This is a pretty quick "beat", and >after its one cycle the unison sound clean. When you get that quite the unison is dead dead on   -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. Bergen, Norway <A HREF="mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no">mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no</A>   </body> </html>