<HTML>Phil F writes <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>I'm curious as to whether a= nyone has tried winding the coil on A0 with the >pin in the block. </BLOCKQUOTE> Ron N replies <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It won't hurt the agraffe, but = it's difficult to determine final height at tension unless you start with the pin so high it makes it more difficult to = wind the coil. I always did better cutting the string to length, then taking the loop off of the hitch to get enough slack up front to wind the <B= R> coil with my crank, putting the loop back on the hitch, and driving in the <= BR> pin. It doesn't qualify as fun any way I've ever done it, but some ways are = less painful than others. </BLOCKQUOTE> Phil, I'm with Ron. I've strung hundreds of pianos, and have yet to find one on wh= ich this didn't work. You can measure, as he said, then remove the string fr= om the hitch. I usually put two coils ( or a short two) on the big strings. = Especially on the ones with a fairly sharp angle from the agraffe to the pin= , I like to drive the pin BEFORE putting the tail back on the hitch, to avoi= d an unnecessary kink. If you are doing any twisting, do it as you  sli= p the tail over the hitch (Except for the heavies, I usually do any twisting= at the tuning pin just before I drive). Bob Davis Stockton, CA</HTML>