<HEAD> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Whether you use an ETD or tune aural, you just do it fast and, depending where the piano pitch is, you tune a little sharp or a little flat. There are various fomulas for calculating pitch and ETDs have built-in programs to do it. You DO tune every string but you DON'T spend a long time doing it, trying to get every unison clean, etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After awhile, you'll get where you can do it in about that much time. Practice practice practice .... and DON'T linger on any string trying to get it just right. Focus, concentrate, and MOVE. If you are a perfectionist this will cure you or drive you over the edge!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually, I spend longer than that on most pitch corrections and find that the fine tuning then takes less time for me. My choice. If the move is maybe 20 cents or more, I'll do at least one fast pass, then a more careful pass, then fine tune.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sounds like a lot of work BUT it is better for your sanity and produces a better result than trying to fine tune any piano that is more than a few cents off. And, depending on the situation, I definitely CHARGE for this extra work. This--and other unknowns--is way I try to ALWAYS schedule pianos I am seeing for the first time either last in the day or at some time when I can be there longer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope it helps. Reblitz is great overview of the whole field but is pretty skimpy for learning tuning. You need other sources and, hopefully, a GOOD tunor who will mentor you or at least show you how it's done.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are not in the guild and attending an active chapter's meetings, REPENT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alan Barnard</DIV> <DIV>Salem, MO</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Robert Finley <RFINLEY@RCN.COM><BR>Sent: Aug 20, 2005 2:06 PM <BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org <BR>Subject: Differences Between Pitch Raise and Fine Tuning? <BR><BR></DIV><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"><ZZZMETA content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2722" name="GENERATOR"> <STYLE></STYLE> </ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgColor="#ffffff"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been reading the Reblitz book and have a question about raising the pitch of a piano that has gone flat. On page 231 it says a pitch raise is a fast rough tuning, and one shouldn't spend more than about 20 minutes doing this. My question is what can you do in 20 minutes, and how does this "rough tuning" differ from a regular/fine tuning? Do you set the temperament, tune octaves up and down the piano, tune unisons, or what? If that is so, I don't see how all that can be done in only 20 minutes. Thank you for your help.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert Finley</FONT></DIV></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BODY><PRE> Salem, Missouri </PRE>