<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope you didn't read any criticism into = my message, I was just commenting on the many different percentages that have been = thrown about in this thread.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now you have REALLY tweaked my = interest: Tuning a piano in 20 mins? I don't think I could even randomly turn all the pins = in that much time. I am, admittedly, quite slow (I have only been doing = this for about 2 years, don't have very many customers, and my ADD doesn't = help me stay focused on repetitive tasks like unison setting) but tell me, tell = me anything that might help speed things up ...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Tibetan is a little known local = dialect from around the <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Lungmug pass which, = incidentally, is the area of the headwaters of the Mekong River (Dza = chu) and the village of Chamdo.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><IMG height=39 alt=tib src="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tibetmap/tib1.gif" width=155 align=bottom></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alan R. Barnard</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.S. Freely translated, "Yabut"  = means "Yeah, but..." :-}</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, 2002 = 9:01 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises ... = Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Alan, I didn't = know you spoke Tibetan..... Yabut to you too. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Dr. Al recommends = 20% in the bass, I tried it, and it really works for me. He is published as = saying he recommends 33% percent in the treble. I tried it on a whole bunch of = pianos and piano styles and sizes, and it has always left the treble too = sharp. Notice, I didn't say too sharp for my own personal taste,  but = too sharp according to his own machine. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    All I can tell = you, is everything I try to put out here on this list are things that I = definitely have given great thought to, and done a lot of research and = experimentation on. I don't know anywhere near as much about soundboards and piano construction as people like Del and Ron Nossaman, I don't know as much = about action geometry as Roger and many others on this list,( although I do = know a whole lot about actions and regulating them.) But one thing I'm = sure of is how to take a piano and bring it up from "horrible" to a concert = level tuning in the shortest amount of time. I have to know how to do it, = I'm one of the people in the sixth largest city in the USA who is the one up = there that's given a little over a half hour to get the piano ready after it's sat = under blowing air conditioning for four hours. I have to know how to do it, = and what works, and what doesn't.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Whew! Glad I got = that one off my chest, I had to do just that in twenty minutes last night at a = concert here. Show up at 5:00, hoping to get in early. The bands running late, = and they do a sound check and generally goof off up there as long as = possible, and I finally get less than 1/2 hour to put my "sweetest tuning" quote ( = from the keyboardist) on it. Meanwhile, the stagehands are yelling "point it = left, no too far,, the other way,, no I mean your OTHER LEFT)  you get the = idea. Sorry about the rant, but I really do know what I'm talking about, = believe it or don't. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    And in parting,,,, = Batwa.  <G></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mathstar@salemnet.com = href="mailto:mathstar@salemnet.com">Alan R. Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 23, 2002 = 7:45 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises ... = Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yabut....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dr. Sanderson, inventor of the SAT, = recommends 20% on wound strings, 33% for the first six plain-wire unisons, then = 25% to the top. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since others have success with = slightly different percentages, it seems (and is interesting) that the = exact percentage or location in the piano is not all that critical a = factor ... </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alan Barnard</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>