<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>HT = Historic (or Historical) = Temperaments. </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=anrebe@zianet.com href="mailto:anrebe@zianet.com">Andrew = & Rebeca Anderson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 = 6:37 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: for your (radical turn)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Cy, I used to think that about WTs (well = temperaments, what is HT?) but my experience has changed the perception.  = Originally, I tuned my wife's baby to Valloti-Young and it was OK, less bland than = ET but nothing particularly interesting.  We tried a WT suggested by = Paul Bailey and then compared it to others on paper and went for Barne's Bach = WT.  We like it.  The Wurlizter baby sings.  She plays everything = from pre-Bach to Katchaturian.  ( I think the Katchaturian Toccata = would be really powerful in modified Meantone.)  I'm expecting to tune a = square grand that hasn't been tuned since it was re-strung (Brown & = Allen, ten years ago) in modified meantone.  The more remote keys aren't = merely dissonant in WTs, they have vocal qualities.  When Beethoven = shifts gears in a piece you can hear the vibrato come out.  The drive to = 'perfect' tuning to the modern ET was more industry driven than artist driven = from what I read. Check them out, you'll like them, Andrew Las = Cruces, NM At 12:24 PM 3/13/2004 -0600, you wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Do you = always tune "Representative Victorian", or do you pick a different HT based on = the piano and its players?  I've heard HTs can make spinets, in = particular, sound better.   I've always thought an HT = would be great for beginners, who aren't going to get into more than two = sharps or flats for a couple of years.  May as well let 'em enjoy those thirds!   --Cy-- <DL> <DD>----- Original Message ----- <DD>From: <A = href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> <DD>To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> = <DD>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:58 AM <DD>Subject: Re: for your (radical turn) <DD>Last week I tuned a 1980s S&S = M for a new client. He just moved down here from Manhattan. He has always had "Steinway" technicians service his piano. He "warned" me that he = has had arguments about whether some notes were "in tune" with technicians = in the past. <DD>   <DD>I raised the pitch 25 cents to = A440 and tuned it to the "Representative Victorian" temperament on my Verituner. = He sat down and banged out a movement from the Appassionata while I = packed up my tools (and watched in amazement and awe). After he was done, he = said "piano is perfect - never sounded so good". I'm not really sure if = my tuning was that good (the piano did tune up well - I was unusually = happy with it), if he just liked the temperament, or if his past service = personnel were sub-par. <DD>   <DD>FWIW, I pretty much only tune in = ET on request - and that is only a very few pianos. <DD>   <DD>Terry Farrell <DD>   <DD>----- Original Message ----- = <DD>From: "Richard Brekne" <<A = href="mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no">Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no</= A>> <DD>To: "Pianotech" <<A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> <DD>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 = 12:18 PM <DD>Subject: Re: for your (radical turn) <DD>> I can echo Ed here...      yet I still struggle with an = unbeleivalbe <DD>> apathy I find amoung so many of the pianists around here. = Their <DD>> reactions to HT's,  when they react at all... are = always as Ed describes <DD>> below.... but getting them to actually DO something with = this new <DD>> <<toy>> is another matter. <DD>> <DD>> I have one Professor who insists on having his Young = Chang piano tuned <DD>> to a milde well... but only because its never sounded = good in ET... but <DD>> this same guy doesnt want to work up a program based on = HT's... nor <DD>> spend any time exposing his students to the = potential. <DD>> <DD>> I just know that sooner or later something will spark and = the ball will <DD>> get rolling... but the basic GAFFER attitude I find = amoung young <DD>> pianists and faculty at the University level sometimes = astounds me.  <DD>> They have their ciriculum... and thats what life is = about..  . <DD>> <DD>> Nice turn tho Ed <DD>> <DD>> RicB <DD>> <DD>> <A href="mailto:A440A@aol.com">A440A@aol.com</A> = wrote: <DD>> <DD>> >Bill writes: <DD>> ><< Now what was the subject, temperaments? = <G> >> <DD>> > <DD>> >Humm, now that you mention it....  <DD>> >    I had a new customer call me to = tune a Steinway M yesterday.  Said that <DD>> >he had decided to sell it and wanted it to sound its best.  Told me to do <DD>> >whatever I thought would make it most attractive. = So,  I tuned it in a Broadwood. <DD>> >He sat down and played it.  His wife (also a = musician and songwriter), came <DD>> >downstairs and stood there.  Hint of rapture in = the air... <DD>> >    After a piece or two, he looked up = and said, at the same time his wife <DD>> >did, "This piano has never sounded this good!" Not = sure they want to part with <DD>> >it, now.  <DD>> >    Last week, a studio owner also had = me tune, but asked to return to ET for <DD>> >an overdub session that was going in E maj.  He = told me that since he had <DD>> >become used to the Coleman 11, the piano just sounds = out of tune to him in ET and <DD>> >wants to return to WT as soon as possible.  <DD>> >   Like I said last century,  this = stuff will just not go away!  Politicians <DD>> >will, but not the WTT's  (well-tempered = tuners).  <DD>> >Regards, <DD>> > <DD>> > <DD>> > <DD>> >  <DD>> > <DD>> <DD>> _______________________________________________ <DD>> pianotech list info: <A = href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org= /mailman/listinfo/pianotech</A> <DD>> </DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>