<HTML>In a message dated 4/27/01 8:20:44 PM Central Daylight Time, joegarrett@earthlink.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As to why you can't get the plate out is PROBABLY because the case was built AROUND the plate, to add stability and strength. Chickering did that a lot in the 1850-70 squares. Big can of worms! If you would like a detailed discourse, call me on a land line. Best regards, Joe Garrett, R.P.T. (aka "Square") </BLOCKQUOTE> There is a chance I might not make it to Reno this year. If you can give me some details as to how to remove the plate, others might be interested. Thanks Willem </HTML>