<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=US-ASCII"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C5A5C3.2B5A9690"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> >>Actually, I = spend longer than that on most pitch corrections and find that the fine = tuning then takes less time for me. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’ll ditto that. I spend about 40-60 minutes on a PR and = 10-15 on a second pass. I don’t try to get it too fine. What’s the = point? It won’t hold if I do. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Tell them to expect it to not be a fine tuning and for it to go = out quicker than normal. Then sell them on the second tuning. I picked up = the tip from someone on the list to go ahead and schedule the next tuning in a = month to get it stabilized in 6-8 weeks. I’m amazed at peoples’ = willingness to do that. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I did a major PR last week (-230 cents) in about 70 minutes. At = first the customer balked at my price (almost double my normal rate). Instead = of trying to justify it in a very nice way I said she could probably find somebody = to do it cheaper. She had me do it, obviously. It really helps to have the = attitude that you are willing to walk away from the job. I would have even been = willing to supply her with a couple of names that would do it cheaper, but it = didn’t come to that. <o:p></o:p></span= > <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p></fon= t> <st1:PersonName>Dean May</st1:PersonName>       &nbs= p;     cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.co= m   = 812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> Terre Haute = IN  = 47802<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Barnard Sent: Saturday, August = 20, 2005 2:30 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Differences = Between Pitch Raise and Fine Tuning? <o:p> </o:p> <div> Whether you use an ETD or tune aural, you = just do it fast and, depending where the piano pitch is, you tune a little = sharp or a little flat. There are various fomulas for calculating pitch and ETDs = have built-in programs to do it. You DO tune every string but you DON'T spend = a long time doing it, trying to get every unison clean, = etc.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> After awhile, you'll get where you can do it = in about that much time. Practice practice practice .... and DON'T linger on any = string trying to get it just right. Focus, concentrate, and MOVE. If you are a perfectionist this will cure you or drive you over the = edge!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Actually, I spend longer than that on most pitch corrections and find that the fine tuning then takes less = time for me. My choice. If the move is maybe 20 cents or more, I'll do at = least one fast pass, then a more careful pass, then fine = tune.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sounds like a lot of work BUT it is better = for your sanity and produces a better result than trying to fine tune any piano = that is more than a few cents off. And, depending on the situation, I definitely CHARGE for this extra work. This--and other unknowns--is way I try = to ALWAYS schedule pianos I am seeing for the first time either last in the = day or at some time when I can be there longer.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Hope it helps. Reblitz is great overview of = the whole field but is pretty skimpy for learning tuning. You need other sources = and, hopefully, a GOOD tunor who will mentor you or at least show you how = it's done.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> If you are not in the guild and attending an = active chapter's meetings, REPENT.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Alan Barnard<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Salem, MO<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Finley <RFINLEY@RCN.COM>Sent: Aug 20, 2005 2:06 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Differences Between Pitch Raise and Fine Tuning? = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA = content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv="Content-Type"><ZZZMETA content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2722" = name="GENERATOR"></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgColor="#ffffff">I have been reading the Reblitz book and have a question about raising the = pitch of a piano that has gone flat. On page 231 it says a pitch raise is a = fast rough tuning, and one shouldn't spend more than about 20 minutes doing = this. My question is what can you do in 20 minutes, and how does this "rough = tuning" differ from a regular/fine tuning? Do you set the temperament, tune = octaves up and down the piano, tune unisons, or what? If that is so, I don't see = how all that can be done in only 20 minutes. Thank you for your = help.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Robert = Finley<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML> </body> <PRE> Salem, Missouri </PRE> </html>