<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> Premium Blue   <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Farrell Sent: Sunday, December = 18, 2005 1:24 PM To: Pianotech<fon= t size=2 face=Tahoma> Subject: Re: Yamaha = action with Steinway/European hammers   <div> "Renner USA is = starting to produce a "Wurzen" hammer that is somewhat different from the PB." </div> <div>   </div> <div> David - what is = PB? </div> <div>   </div> <div> Terry = Farrell </div> <div>   </div> <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <div> From: "David = Love" <<a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net<= /span></a>> </div> <div> To: "'Pianotech'" = <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> </div> <div> Sent: Sunday, December 18, = 2005 2:07 PM </div> <div> Subject: RE: Yamaha action = with Steinway/European hammers </div> </div> <div>   </div> >I would not = characterize Ronsen as having a similar approach to Steinway. > The unreinforced Bacon felt hammers bear little resemblance to = the > unreinforced Steinway hammers.  While they are both on the = soft side, the > control of the pressing through the set is much better at Ronsen = and > produces a hammer that does not always need to be lacquered, unlike = it's > counterpart.  As far as the Ronsen Wurzen's go, they need = little "building" > of tone.  > > Renner USA is starting to produce a "Wurzen" hammer that = is somewhat > different from the PB.  Whether it is available for public comsumption or > not I can't say.  Wurzen does make different types of felt and = it may be > that Renner is using more than one type. > > David Love > <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net<= /span></a> > > -----Original Message----- > From: <a = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</s= pan></a> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Jeannie Grassi > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:59 AM > To: 'Pianotech' > Subject: RE: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers > > I think it is interesting that I have heard the term "Renner Würzens" used > lately.  Renner has always used Wurzen felt.  Their = hammers are the same as > we have been accustomed to, but with the introduction of Wurzen = felt to the > Ronsen line, I think Renner has felt it necessary (no pun intended) = to make > it known that they are using the same felt.  > > I think what is more important than who is providing the felt, is = the way it > is used.  Ric makes a good comparison.  Ronsons have = always had a similar > approach to hammer-making as Steinway:  Hammers very soft = initially, with > the tone built into the hammer.  Renners have always had the = harder hammers > from their pressing.  Bottom line....if they sound good for a specific > application....use them.  Knowing which to use and when comes = with > experience and listening. > > Jeannie Grassi, RPT > Assistant Editor, Piano Technicians Journal > <a href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net">mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.ne= t</a> > > -----Original Message----- > From: <a = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</s= pan></a> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Ric Brekne > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:30 AM > To: pianotech > Subject: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers > > Hi Brad > > I just put a set of Renner (Europe) Wurzens on a C6.  And the = result is > beautiful.  Renner Wurzens are slightly harder then Ronsens I = > understand, and require just a little needling to open up the > sound....perhaps just a bit of lacqure on the highest and lowest = notes > to bring up the power.  I think the natural resiliency in the = Wurzen > felt has pretty much shown itself to be a very very desiable = quality in > hammers. > > btw... I also find that for most uses a strike weight curve around = the > top medium - 3/4  medium range followed by a nice smoothing of = the front > weights to match a 38 gram BW yeilds an exceptional touch weight / = > response combination when combined with really good quality hammers = and > voicing work. > > I agree... the asian hammers I most often run into are very = difficult to > get a satisfactory (to me) voice out of.  That said... new = high end > Yamaha grands use Wurzen felt now I am told. > > Cheers > > RicB > > > Question is, does anyone have insights on the benefits of putting different > hammers (i.e. non hard-pressed types) onto an > excellent Yamaha action?   ( I love the precision of the Japanese/Yamaha, > but I also serve several pianists who are dyed in the wool Steinway people. > who don't care for the tone of Asian hammers, even after = careful-balanced > voicing). > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org/mailman/l= istinfo/pianotech</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org/mailman/l= istinfo/pianotech</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org/mailman/l= istinfo/pianotech</a> </div> </body> </html>