<HTML>In a message dated 9/5/01 8:26:52 AM Central Daylight Time, mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com (Farrell) writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What procedures (aural checks, prayers, waiting for proper planetary alignment, etc.) do ETD users use when tuning non-equal temperaments to ensure a good tuning for the subject piano (check octaves and let it go at that?)? I know some often tune spinets with various non-ET temperaments and these especially need proper checks. Aside from learning to tune these non-ET temperaments well by ear (which, of course would be the best way - but hey, I'm only human) how does anyone go about this? Tips, tricks, techniques? </BLOCKQUOTE> I've written about this many times over.  There is no "hocus-pocus" to it such as your "planetary alignment" phrase implies.  It is so surprisingly simple that I have had no qualms about calling it "Mindless Octaves".  I developed the method when I was still tuning ET back in the early 1980's and continued it when I started exploring the HT's and on to the development of the EBVT.  Steve Fairchild RPT uses basically the same approach. I have absolutely no use whatsoever for any programmed tuning curve because what I do is better, far and away better.  It goes right to the heart of why the scale is tempered to begin with and uses the piano's own inharmonicity to determine exactly the compromise I make.  Again, it is so easy and simple that I think of it as *mindless* because I can tune aurally with the same accuracy and consistency as I can with an ETD whether it is the first or last tuning of the day, whether I am tired or not feeling well. I've published the entire explanation and process on this List and offered it more than a few times privately.  But of course, there are the many who dismiss what I have to say out of hand and delete before reading.  That's your problem, not mine.  My only question about the Verituner is whether it can do what I do.  If it can, it would be worth purchasing, mainly because of its compact size and long battery life.  Until I know the answer to that, the SAT II suits me just fine. Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin</HTML>