<HTML>In a message dated 6/21/02 2:51:08 PM Central Daylight Time, JIMRPT@AOL.COM writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">slide two long 2X4 or 2X6 under the plate until they are past the rim on the other side........fasten these boards so that they are spread apart enough to balance the plate and won't move sideways away from each other...............raise these boards until they are supporting the plate....tilt them and sloooowly lower the plate to the floor.................... Clear enough?? </BLOCKQUOTE> I am with you until the part of "fasten the boards so that are spread apart." Fasten them to what? Then, once the plate is supported on the boards, I don't  understand the part of  "tilt them and sloooowly lower the plate to the floor" Wim </HTML>