<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C32F49.CC84A8F0"> <title>Re: False Beats in high treble after stringing</title> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> Has there ever been a single piano, = new or old, expensive or cheap, that didn’t ANY false-beating strings? I have never tuned a new, expensive grand, nor have I ever tuned a concert = piano or any 9-footer, and I’ve never seen a new Steinway. All of these are = kind of rare (non-existent) out here in the boonies so maybe my question is = rude and/or stupid. But I have seen a lot of pianos from ancient beaters to = crappy spinets to brand new <st1:place>Baldwin</f= ont></st1:place> uprights and almost new pianos of many = makes.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’ve never heard a wholly = clean-sounding piano.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Have I just been too sheltered, = or—rude question—are false beats just part of the territory, the imperfect science of piano building and the many compromises we put up = with.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I am in my bunker, flak jacket and = helmet in place. Fire away!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Alan R. = Barnard<o:p></o:p> Salem, = MO<o:p></o:p> </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Dave Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 10, = 2003 10:33 AM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: False Beats = in high treble after stringing <o:p> </o:p> <div> Thanks for the thoughts = given so far.  I will attempt to achieve a "quiet mind" and then = go after the false beats again in a more methodical manner.  = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Dave = Smith<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> SW = FL<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> PTG = Associate<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:pmc303@ricochet.com" title="pmc303@ricochet.com">Paul = McCloud</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</a> = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:20 AM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: False Beats in high treble after stringing<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> You might check = to see how much downbearing there is over the bridge.  A rocker gauge may = not show it, but a bubble gauge or other more sophisticated tool will.  It’s likely that there isn’t much downbearing in that area.  I rebuilt a Ste. M some time ago, and was similarly disappointed with the = result, with all the false beats and such.  I used CA instead of your = epoxy, but did all the same things to get rid of the false beats, to no = avail.  When I used my Lowell gauge to check that area, there wasn’t much = downbearing at all.  I had to let it go at that.  = FWIW.<o:p></o:p>   &nbsp= ;         Paul McCloud<o:p></o:p>   &nbsp= ;         San Diego<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Keith McGavern Sent: Tuesday, June 10, = 2003 6:07 AM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: False Beats = in high treble after stringing<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <div> At 9:09 PM -0400 6/9/03, Dave Smith = wrote:<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' cite = type=cite> ... Can anyone offer me = advice on what to do next to reduce the false beats, short of unstringing and = recapping bridge, etc?  I would appreciate your = help!<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Dave,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I am no expert in this area, but will offer = some thoughts has to how I would attempt to troubleshoot this matter in my = mind.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To hopefully discover the = cause:<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 1) pick the worst = offender<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 2) mute the non-speaking sections of that = offender, listen.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 3) if false beat still there, determine that = there is side and down bearing<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 4) if there is, determine that the string = equally leaves the both the bridge pin and the bridge<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 5) if it does, determine that there is = absolutely no movement in the bridge pin<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 6) if all these prove to be okay and the = false beat has not dissipated, the way the string contacts the pressure bar is = certainly a possibility for inducing a false beat.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 7) And if after verifying all these = conditions are as they should be, replacing the string is another = option.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> You might not be able to eliminate all of the = false beats, but it is very possible they can be blended so that no one false = beat stands out above the others. When tuning pianos in the field, blending = is utilized by me quite often to mask inherent discrepancies that will = never be properly addressed.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> These are my thoughts on the matter, Dave, on = chasing down the worst offending false beat = situation.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Rest easy in this matter. Frustration in not = the master, you are.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Keith McGavern<o:p></o:p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003