<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kevin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do the bass first also but find that = using the 25% raises the pitch way too far, often 10 to 15 cents above where I = want it to be when finished.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The verituner has a program of 10% for = the bass that gets the bass right on the money give or take a cent. But the = reason that I do not use the verituner on raises of over is the view of the targets is = not as easy for me to work with not the program.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For me just setting the SAT is easier = with fooling the program to give me the over pull that I want and then letting the = little green lights do the job. Yes I said green <G></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 21, = 2002 9:30 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises ... = Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe, glad it works for you, however, = I find that the bass requires a twenty percent over-pull. Perhaps our methods = differ; during a pitch raise, I tune the single bass strings and one string of = each bi-chord first, then I pull out the strip and tune unisons by = ear.  I'm also tuning the bass first, ala Sanderson. When I do a pitch raise, I = do it with a SAT (Gets you real close, real fast), so I do the bass first. I = can understand the 10% overpull thing only if I've already brought the = rest of the piano up first. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Please = clarify.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=imatunr@srvinet.com = href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">Joe And Penny Goss</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 21, = 2002 7:46 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises ... = Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kevin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the bass is about 30 cents flat = I want to raise the note about three cents sharp ( about 10% ) of pitch. = So with a SATlll that raises the pitch 25%  that would result in too = much over pull for me so I will set the over pull for 12 cents and roll the = program into the machine.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I take only one measurement at A2 = to arrive at my over pull. Works very well for me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I use the 25% in the tenor and = about C4 the 30% to the top then retune.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On pianos 25% or less flat or sharp = I use the Verituner 100 and its 10% bass, 30% tenor,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and 36% treble and = retune.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A = href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 21, = 2002 7:40 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raises = ... Multiple Passes?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>><BR>>     All wound strings: 1/5 = (Example: You test 10 notes, or so, and find<BR>them<BR>> about 30 cents = flat. You would set your ETD to +6 cents sharp and tune<BR>those<BR>> = strings to that setting.)<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Here's another = little brain saver:  What if you're pitch raising a piano and want = to do a 20% overpull in the bass, and it's, say, 28 cent's flat. (let's = see, one fifth of twenty eight would be ......... ah........ = ah........)  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Take 28, and = double it for 56. Move the decimal point over to the left one = place. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>     5.6 is = 1/20th of 28. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    At least, = that's how I do it. = </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>