<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagT= ype> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi JOhn,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well hopefully, I'm practicing good habits, but = I need to figure out where i'm losing time and change that.  One thing is muting.  I'm going to look in my schaff catelog and see if there's = any kind of light, trouble light, type of thing i can clamp on the lid of a grand = or put on an upright so I can really see the strings when I'm muting them. On = grands, the three string unisons are a little close together in the trebble section.  Have you ever had any experience with a gang mute from Schaff?  They're pretty cool looking, a long rubber mute with = wedges on it, about 13 I beleive.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think my joining the PTg will be a marriage = made in heaven.  I can't wait until I go tothat first meeting.  = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=john@formsmapiano.com = href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com">John Formsma</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 11, = 2006 10:40 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: = Upgrading.....</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Marshall</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It’s = important to think through the “why it works” and not just be content with the = “that it works.” In other words, you have to understand why you’re doing = something instead of just because someone said that’s the way to do it. When = you start thinking this way, things make more sense and you eventually become = less dependent on others.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Put a small = rubber mute in between the first and second strings or use two large mutes = – one beside the string and another against the strut. The first way = you’ll be tuning the string closest to the strut, and the second way you’ll be = tuning the middle string.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speed will = come. I remember very well when I was in the same situation. There are several = things you are working on all at once, and it takes time for them to come = together. Keep practicing, but remember to practice correctly. Otherwise, = you’ll pick up bad habits.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John Formsma<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" = align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: windowtext"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma color=black = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; = FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of = </SPAN></B>pianotune05<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, February 11, = 2006 9:12 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Pianotech List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Upgrading.....</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi John,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry I gave you the = impression that one stops at RPt and doesn't keep learning.  I should have = mentioned that more clearly in the  e-mail ,but I was in a hurry as usual = to get moving with the day.  I agree, never stoplearning. I told someone = that the other day.  I said that this is a great trade, always more t = o learn.  </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When you say find what = works, are you referring to, strip muting one section then using mutes in another = verses strip muting the entire piano for example?  I do different things = especially when I get to a point on a grant where no mute will stay = because the space is so great between the last string and the strut. I haven't = figured out what to do on that one yet.  = </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My biggest challange and = headahce frustration aggrevation is speed.  I just cannot seem to speed = up.  I mean how many pianos do I have to tune before I get past 3hours. = does a little light and buzzer go off when I reach the 2 hour mark? :) </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Well anyway, sorry I = gave you the impression that I'm going to stop at RPT an d sit back and say, ah, = I'm done learning.  No, I'm not done, and that's why I asked so many = questions on here and got a few upset with me. Oh well, I guess there's nothing I = can do but keep moving on and learning. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Marshall</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt = 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN = style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT = face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <A title=john@formsmapiano.com = href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com">John Formsma</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:46 = AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=black = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> Re: Upgrading.....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on"><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Verdana">Marshall</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">,<BR><BR>First, it's = important to recognize that RPT is not the "prize." It's a recognition of = proficiency, not a recognition of maximum ability. We should go on from RPT to = higher levels, both in tuning and other areas of piano = technology.<BR><BR>Second, PTG has a number of resources available to help a person attain the = RPT goal.<BR><BR>You've heard the saying, "practice makes perfect." That = is only true if you practice correctly. :-) So, I'd recommend using the old = noodle to think through these things rather than doing them a certain way = only because "so and so piano guru" says that's the way. Find what works, = and understand <B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">why</SPAN></I></B> = it works. (I'm still working on that, by the way.)<BR><BR>John Formsma<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR>pianotune05 wrote: <o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <META http-equiv=Context-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1">Here's another question. What can one do in order to start preparing for = the PTG exam even though it's premature or early?, ie. tune a zillion = pianos, shape a gillion hammers, rebulid a loughhead piano to make it sound = better. :)  what can an assocate do, and one like myself who is a pre = associate member, I haven't been to my first meeting yet, do in order to keep = RPT as the goal the prize as far as piano tuning is concerned in their = mind?  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt">Marshall</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" = color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: = 12pt">From:</SPAN></FONT></B> <A title=john@formsmapiano.com = href="mailto:john@formsmapiano.com">John Formsma</A> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" = color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To:</SPAN></FONT></B> = <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" = color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: = 12pt">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B> Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:06 AM<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" = color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: = 12pt">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B> RE: Upgrading.....<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was just about to send what I wrote to = Dean when your post hit my inbox. You have said it so well that it totally = eclipsed mine so I’m not sending it now. J <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yes, yes – there must be a way to = promote excellence. And, “Craftsman” and “Certified” are much more = descriptive. I prefer either of those to “Registered.” = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Isn’t it a problem that PTG comes up = with the terms, but it’s we who have to do the educating? We don’t have = much time for that. Is there a way PTG could educate the piano playing = populace? I’m thinking, wow, that would be hard. The first step could be = beginning at the university and piano teaching guilds, and hopefully it would = filter down after a while. But before that, you would have to <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">demonstrate</SPAN></I> that PTG = people are generally more skilled. (There will always be exceptions, of = course.) I don’t think you can do that as it is currently set up unless you = get rid of the Associate status. Wow, big situation when you start to = think about it. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">BTW, How many different places are you = registered to vote in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State> ? <g> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Formsma = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From: = </SPAN></FONT></B><A = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> = [<A = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.or= g</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>RON = MAY, RPT<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> = Friday, February 10, 2006 10:27 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Pianotech = List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Upgrading..... = <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi People = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Until the day comes that the = public  becomes educated,  aware and demands expertise and professional = performance or heaven forbid the government becomes involved and demands = licensing such as that demanded for other  trades such as plumbers and electricians, we are just lighting a fire under and empty = skillet. Now that anyone can show themselves as a member of PTG and we have = come up with "Registered" members, which no one has the slightest idea = about instead off craftsman ratings or some other descriptive rating = there is only one motivation and that is from within.. Unfortunately not = very many seem to have this motivation or pride in their = work and profession. Whether we are RPTs, Certified Tuner Technicians,or = craftsman, getting the message out is up to we individual technicians and = most of us are busy and have become very complacent about the problem. = To me Certified says a whole lot more than registered. I'm "Registered" = to vote in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State> and we all know what = that means but obviously some don't know how to do it. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">We as PTG just continue to shoot = ourselves in the foot on this issue. Something needs to be done and it needs to = become a priority. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron May   = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From: = </SPAN></FONT></B><A title=avery1@houston.rr.com href="mailto:avery1@houston.rr.com">Avery</A> = <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To: = </SPAN></FONT></B><A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sent: </SPAN></FONT></B>Friday, February 10, 2006 4:37 PM <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Subject: </SPAN></FONT></B>Re: Upgrading..... <o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">  = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This subject HAS been on ptg-L. For DAYS!!!!!!!!!! Weeks? :-( <BR><BR>Avery = <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE= ></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>