<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Hi List,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the early days of my subscribing to this list the attached = message was sent out by Andy for our general information.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not sure how many of the lists are still available but I would = suggest that we all re-read what was said back then. (November 08, = 1998) I am sure that you will all agree that if everyone followed these guide lines = we would all be living with a very happy list.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would even suggest that when anybody subscribes to this list that = they automatically be sent a guide such as this as information on what the subscribers of this list want and can expect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since this date (November 08, 1998) I have in my deleted items box = 2656 messages. This does not include the many messages that I have saved in = different boxes but it does give some indication as to how much traffic with in = many cases, repeated messages that are now kept forever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards to you all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tony Caught <A href="mailto:caute@optusnet.com.au">caute@optusnet.com.au</A> </DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=andy@rudoff.com href="mailto:andy@rudoff.com">Andrew M. = Rudoff</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, November 08, 1998 = 1:06 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Subscription requests, = etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>>> Subscription request Piano Tech -  Kent Spelman To the folks on the list: I catch most of these subscription requests before they get posted, but if you see one = get through like this, rest assured that I will respond privately to = the sender with subscription instructions.  In this case, I sent the FAQ = to the poster about two hours after the posting (and I noticed he did = indeed get subscribed). Another trick is to look at the Date: field in a posting.  If it was posted multiple days ago, you might want = to read any replies before posting your reply.  This helps cut down on = many people posting the same thing over and over again. Finally, = I should mention that one reply contained incorrect info: >"subscribe = pianotech  Kent Spelman" The above line will NOT = work.  Our cheapo software wants: subscribe = pianotech or unsubscribe pianotech sent to the address: <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> There = should be nothing after the name of the mailing list.  I guess it is = time to post the FAQ again!  It is included = below. -andy ----------------------------------------------= ------------------------    MAILING LISTS PROVIDED BY THE PIANO TECHNICIANS = GUILD           &nbs= p;         As of February 11, = 1998            = This file is available on the web = at:           &n= bsp;  <A = href="http://www.ptg.org/faq/lists.html">http://www.ptg.org/faq/lists.h= tml</A> The following lists are provided by the PTG as a = community service.  The PTG does not maintain any control over the content of these = lists.  Each list is described briefly below, along with subscription information.  When posting, please remember to choose the = appropriate list for your topic. PIANOTECH -- a forum for piano technicians The "pianotech" list is intended for technical discussions among piano technicians.  Other topics of general interest to piano technicians do come up, but the main focus is on sharing technical information.  It is an "open" list, allowing anyone to subscribe and submit posts. To subscribe, = send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: subscribe pianotech in the body of the message = (the subject field is ignored). If you wish to receive digests instead = of individual posts, send the line: subscribe pianotech-digest instead.  Messages are posted by sending = them to: <A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> To unsubscribe, send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: unsubscribe pianotech This list is archived on the = web at: <A = href="http://www.ptg.org/archive/pianotech.php/">http://www.ptg.org/archive= /pianotech.php/</A> PTG-L -- a list for PTG related discussions The "ptg-l" list is = intended for discussions about the PTG itself (policies, politics, = announcements, etc.).  It is for PTG members only. YOU MUST BE A PTG = MEMBER TO SUBSCRIBE! To subscribe, send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: subscribe ptg-l in the body of the message (the = subject field is ignored). If you wish to receive digests instead of = individual posts, send the line: subscribe = ptg-l-digest instead.  Messages are posted by sending them to: <A href="mailto:ptg-l@ptg.org">ptg-l@ptg.org</A> To unsubscribe, = send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: unsubscribe ptg-l CAUT -- a forum for College = And University Technicians The "caut" list is intended for College = And University Technicians (abbreviated CAUT).  It is an "open" list, allowing anyone to subscribe and submit posts. To = subscribe, send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: subscribe caut in the body of the message (the = subject field is ignored). If you wish to receive digests instead of = individual posts, send the line: subscribe = caut-digest instead.  Messages are posted by sending them to: <A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A> To unsubscribe, = send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: unsubscribe caut This list is archived on the web at: <A = href="http://www.ptg.org/archive/caut.php/">http://www.ptg.org/archive/caut= /</A> HUMOR -- humor for piano technicians The "humor" list is a moderated list.  Anyone can subscribe to it, but posts must be approved = by a moderator.  This keeps the list volume low and on = topic. The "humor" list is intended for jokes, funny stories, etc. It is an = "open" list, allowing anyone to subscribe and submit posts. To = subscribe, send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: subscribe humor in the body of the message (the = subject field is ignored). If you wish to receive digests instead of = individual posts, send the line: subscribe humor-digest instead. = Send your posts to: <A href="mailto:humor@ptg.org">humor@ptg.org</A> To unsubscribe, = send a message to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> containing = only this line: unsubscribe humor This list is archived on the web = at: <A = href="http://www.ptg.org/archive/humor/">http://www.ptg.org/archive/hum= or/</A>          =             TESTING THE LISTS PLEASE DO NOT POST TEST MESSAGES TO THE = LISTS!  When you post a message that says "just testing" you are cluttering = up hundreds of mailboxes and your message gets entered into the = archives for that list.  Instead, send the line: which to the = address: <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> This = line asks the server software to tell you which lists you are on. The = messages take the same path as a posted message, so you end up testing that you = can send mail to the server, and that it can send mail back to you. In = addition, you get to see what lists the server thinks you're on, so that tells = you if you have somehow been unsubscribed.  Best of all, you don't bother = hundreds of people with a "testing" message.  The "which" command = is handled automatically, so you can do this type of test as often = as you like (i.e. every month, every day, every hour, whatever).      FREQUENTLY ASKED = QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PTG MAILING LISTS 1. What types of posts are allowed = and disallowed on each list? Anyone can post anything.  But = each list does have its intended purpose and everyone will be happiest if we all try to stick to topics appropriate for each list.  = Sending a PTG political discussion to pianotech or a completely non-PTG = related message to ptg-l are guaranteed ways to get flamed. Please = follow these guildlines when posting: - Sign your real name to your = messages (adding your location   and place of employment is even better). - Don't post large attachments or messages -- offer to = send it   to people or make it available on the web = instead. - Don't "cross-post" your message to multiple mailing lists.   Choose = the one forum best suited for your topic instead. 2. Why aren't the = lists moderated? The lists are meant to be open forums.  = Moderating these lists would be a big job and it would be tricky to filter = these lists in a way that everyone agrees is fair.  If enough = interest arises, we can create new, moderated lists in addition to the open lists we have. 3. How do I tell the list server to send me = my own posts? This list software, majordomo, always sends you copies = of your own posts (it is not configurable). 4. How do I tell = the list server to send me digests? You must unsubscribe to the list and = subscribe instead to the "-digest" version of the list as explained = earlier in this document.  For example, subscribing to "pianotech" will cause you to receive every post = individually.  Subscribing to "pianotech-digest" will cause you to receive collections of posts periodically. 5. I'm going out of town, = how do I suspend delivery? You must unsubscribe and re-subscribe when = you return. 6. Is there a way to search the on-line = archives? Not yet, but that is in the works.  In the mean time, there is an excellent searchable archive of the pianotech list maintained by = David Parkhurst at: <A = href="http://www.webcom.com/wind/ptsearch.html">http://www.webcom.com/w= ind/ptsearch.html</A> 7. Why don't the on-line archives contain old messages? We're = currently only archiving those messages sent after the lists moved to the PTG = server.  We're in the process of updating the archives to = contain old messages. 8. Why did my message take so long to be sent out on = the list? Several things could cause delays.  The two most = likely delays are: - some machine or network is temporarily down - = you message required approval by the list manager Messages require = approval by the list manager if they contain words like "subscribe" or = "unsubscribe" at the top.  This avoids the very common annoyance of someone = sending these requests to the list instead of to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A>.  If the = list manager determines the message should really go out on the list, it = is approved. If you think your message has been dropped or = delayed an unusual amount of time, DON'T SEND MORE MAIL OUT TO THE = LIST!  This just causes a wave of "is the list working?" messages.  Be patient! You can always send the word "help" to <A href="mailto:majordomo@ptg.org">majordomo@ptg.org</A> to see if = the server is responding, or contact <A = href="mailto:admin@ptg.org">admin@ptg.org</A> for more detailed status. 9. Who do I contact for list = administrative issues? <A = href="mailto:admin@ptg.org">admin@ptg.org</A> ------------------= ------------------- </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>