<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Charles, that's what it says in the = tuning exam source book; clean 2/1 octaves in the top octave. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Kevin.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=piano@charlesneuman.net = href="mailto:piano@charlesneuman.net">Charles Neuman</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 04, = 2003 11:11 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RPT test, top octave, = was Re: Aural Octaves (Jim Coleman Sr)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Just to be clear: Does it really specify that the the = top octave has to<BR>make beatless 2:1 octaves?  Is this a new thing? = If not, is it still true?<BR><BR>The reason I ask is that I dug out my handout = from the Convention about<BR>the RTP tuning test and it didn't say it quite = so explicitly. It's not an<BR>official publication, but it was pretty = specific about the requirements<BR>for the test.<BR><BR>What it says about the = top octave is: "For purposes of this examination,<BR>do not stretch the = high treble notes more than is necessary to get good<BR>clean sounding = octaves all the way to the top."<BR><BR>Does that really mean "2:1 octaves need to = be beatless in the top octave"?<BR>I think in the class we were told = something like, "Don't stretch it as<BR>much as you might like."<BR><BR>I just = want to clear up my confusion.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Charles Neuman<BR>PTG = Assoc, Long Island<BR><BR><BR>>     Charles, Jim is just = making reference to the instructions for the =<BR>> RPT test which = states that now matter how the technician normally tunes, =<BR>> on the test they = want you to tune pure 2/1 octaves on the very top part =<BR>> of the = piano. They just want you to prove that you can do it, that's =<BR>> all.=20<BR>>     Kevin E. = Ramsey<BR>>   ----- Original Message -----=20<BR>>   From: Charles Neuman=20<BR>>   To: <A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org=20">pianotech@ptg.org=20</A><BR>>=    Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:06 PM<BR>>   Subject: = Re: Aural Octaves (Jim Coleman Sr)<BR>><BR>><BR>>   I'm = a little confused by Jim's statement below, from his email on = =<BR>> Aural<BR>>   Octaves:<BR>><BR>>   >        CAUTION! For those = preparing to take the PTG Tuning exam,<BR>>   >        remember that it is = required to<BR>>   >        = tune the top octave C7 to B7 as simple pure octaves (2-1<BR>>   >        type?) without the = additional stretch<BR>>   = >        which the above procedure would produce. Therfore, = utilize<BR>>   >        the 10th-17th test such = as G#4-C6<BR>>   = >        and G#4-C7  to be equal in beat rate. Also F5-C6 and F5-C7<BR>>   = >        to be equal.<BR>><BR>>   Does that mean the stretch suddenly = ends at the last octave? Or are =<BR>> you<BR>>   just = cautioning us not to stretch too much on the exam? Those look =<BR>> like<BR>>   2:1 octaves to me, so it seems like the = stretch just ends at the last<BR>>   octave, and the tuning curve = levels out.<BR>><BR>>   Also, Jim, I hope you'll post your = comments on bass octave tuning.<BR>><BR>>   Thanks,<BR>><BR>>   Charles Neuman<BR>>   = PTG Assoc, Long = Island<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>pianotec= h list info: <A = href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org= /mailman/listinfo/pianotech</A></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>